1 00:01:08,570 --> 00:01:04,810 [Music] 2 00:01:12,410 --> 00:01:08,580 this hope radio for the masses headline 3 00:01:14,389 --> 00:01:12,420 of the July 8 1947 the Army Air Force 4 00:01:16,490 --> 00:01:14,399 has announced that a flying there - 5 00:01:19,399 --> 00:01:16,500 found and is now in the possession of 6 00:01:20,029 --> 00:01:19,409 the army the game is rigged change the 7 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:20,039 game 8 00:01:26,690 --> 00:01:23,490 GameChanger I occasionally think how 9 00:01:30,469 --> 00:01:26,700 quickly our differences worldwide would 10 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:30,479 vanish if we were facing an alien threat 11 00:01:34,810 --> 00:01:38,210 [Applause] 12 00:01:43,550 --> 00:01:40,700 fade to black with your host Jimmy 13 00:01:50,060 --> 00:01:43,560 church on the game-changer radio network 14 00:01:55,220 --> 00:01:52,070 I need your help to get to the 15 00:02:00,880 --> 00:01:58,990 [Music] 16 00:02:03,070 --> 00:02:00,890 you're listening today too 17 00:02:04,030 --> 00:02:03,080 with jimmy touch on the game change in 18 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:04,040 that blood 19 00:02:27,170 --> 00:02:22,230 good evening fade to black 20 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:27,180 this spoke radio 21 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:28,110 for 22 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:30,340 [Music] 23 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:35,489 math says yeah good evening how are you 24 00:02:46,980 --> 00:02:39,970 die it's Wednesday 25 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:46,990 September 26 2008 een 272 days into the 26 00:02:55,310 --> 00:02:51,310 new year just 93 days 27 00:02:58,050 --> 00:02:55,320 and as always we are live from a bunker 28 00:02:59,760 --> 00:02:58,060 somewhere in the middle of beautiful 29 00:03:01,320 --> 00:02:59,770 downtown Burbank California and I would 30 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:01,330 like to welcome everybody listening all 31 00:03:07,780 --> 00:03:03,110 around the world 32 00:03:10,660 --> 00:03:07,790 all across the United States hither and 33 00:03:14,110 --> 00:03:10,670 thither to and fro back and forth up and 34 00:03:15,540 --> 00:03:14,120 down east and west north and south far 35 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:15,550 and near 36 00:03:22,690 --> 00:03:19,310 this is fade to black for kjc are the 37 00:03:24,970 --> 00:03:22,700 game changer networking cagey our haze 38 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:24,980 of planet 39 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:27,680 come here Jimmy Church what is cracking 40 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:36,440 got a great show tonight 41 00:03:42,860 --> 00:03:40,770 Julie amaz bridge is here 42 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:42,870 it's gonna join us and talk about 43 00:03:48,180 --> 00:03:46,720 precognition and time-travel with her 44 00:03:50,670 --> 00:03:48,190 new book I'm holding it up to the 45 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:50,680 cameras now there it is the premonition 46 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:55,810 code yeah like that cover it's a great 47 00:04:01,470 --> 00:03:58,810 book to great book it's my stuff right 48 00:04:02,610 --> 00:04:01,480 here that's what I'm all about that's 49 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:02,620 what we're gonna talk about tonight 50 00:04:07,770 --> 00:04:05,530 Precog time travel tomorrow night 51 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:07,780 I've been waiting for this Dean Radin is 52 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:11,890 here and I cannot wait science and magic 53 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:14,230 and everything that he has been doing 54 00:04:19,530 --> 00:04:17,769 for so so long so important to this 55 00:04:22,110 --> 00:04:19,540 community Dean Radin will be with us 56 00:04:23,940 --> 00:04:22,120 tomorrow night which means no fate or 57 00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:23,950 night this week that's right no open 58 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:29,040 lines nope it's four nights four shows 59 00:04:34,230 --> 00:04:32,410 four amazing guests that's what we chose 60 00:04:38,190 --> 00:04:34,240 to do this week here on fade to black 61 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:38,200 and there you go and so let's just skip 62 00:04:44,250 --> 00:04:39,730 the show crack and we got a lot to do 63 00:04:46,940 --> 00:04:44,260 tonight and on stellar head over there 64 00:04:50,159 --> 00:04:46,950 you need to get registered that is my 65 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:50,169 social media platform of choice on 66 00:04:56,430 --> 00:04:54,370 stellar dot-com o NS te ll a our dot-com 67 00:04:58,469 --> 00:04:56,440 get over there get registered you can 68 00:05:01,469 --> 00:04:58,479 use my name as a referral code you don't 69 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:01,479 need a referral code but I do it so just 70 00:05:05,430 --> 00:05:03,250 use my name Jimmy it's a you know 71 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:05,440 somebody you know me use my referral 72 00:05:09,630 --> 00:05:08,410 code get some bonus tokens and get over 73 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:09,640 there see what it's all about 74 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:12,280 it is happening built for this community 75 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:14,440 also Twitter you can follow me there I'm 76 00:05:19,740 --> 00:05:17,050 a big social media guy love my social 77 00:05:22,740 --> 00:05:19,750 media and I'm sure you've been watching 78 00:05:27,950 --> 00:05:22,750 me tweet all day long sitting here 79 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:27,960 working in the bunker you know research 80 00:05:32,969 --> 00:05:30,370 right little of this little of that 81 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:32,979 a little over here reading you know 82 00:05:39,450 --> 00:05:36,010 writing doing all social media back over 83 00:05:41,730 --> 00:05:39,460 to writing little social it's just just 84 00:05:45,290 --> 00:05:41,740 what I do you know it's what I do 85 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:45,300 Twitter is at Jay Church radio and 86 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:47,110 Facebook I'm going to talk about 87 00:05:52,950 --> 00:05:50,500 Facebook in just a second still alive 88 00:05:55,620 --> 00:05:52,960 and kick'n you know you know I still 89 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:55,630 an account over there it all goes far as 90 00:06:01,170 --> 00:05:58,650 that and we do have the fade to black 91 00:06:03,719 --> 00:06:01,180 company page over on Facebook and you 92 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:03,729 can go and like that too as well but and 93 00:06:11,100 --> 00:06:08,770 YouTube of course we hang out on YouTube 94 00:06:14,610 --> 00:06:11,110 every day we post the next day we'll 95 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:14,620 post this broadcast and it goes up in 96 00:06:19,499 --> 00:06:17,410 its entirety unedited every single day 97 00:06:22,710 --> 00:06:19,509 over on YouTube so you can go subscribe 98 00:06:23,939 --> 00:06:22,720 there if you're a tuber you know and 99 00:06:24,629 --> 00:06:23,949 that's where you want to go for your 100 00:06:26,909 --> 00:06:24,639 stuff 101 00:06:28,650 --> 00:06:26,919 then you know that's what you do go 102 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:28,660 subscribe to the YouTube channel and 103 00:06:34,439 --> 00:06:31,210 there you go alright everything is easy 104 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:34,449 to find go over to our website to mature 105 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:35,770 trade Oh calm okay 106 00:06:40,469 --> 00:06:37,840 and you can follow like and subscribe 107 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:40,479 right there and where am I at the 108 00:06:47,180 --> 00:06:44,020 sandbox is hashtag f2b it's right in 109 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:47,190 front of me and you guys are still 110 00:06:55,589 --> 00:06:50,110 retweeting that picture last night of 111 00:06:57,689 --> 00:06:55,599 sucralose and hinted of me oh man I 112 00:07:00,210 --> 00:06:57,699 wonder I think sue kilos is like in 113 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:00,220 Brazil right now so I don't know if he's 114 00:07:06,719 --> 00:07:03,970 on social media but he loved this pic 115 00:07:08,490 --> 00:07:06,729 and the fade to black banner in the 116 00:07:12,270 --> 00:07:08,500 background behind the two is pretty 117 00:07:15,029 --> 00:07:12,280 funny and so that still getting around 118 00:07:19,140 --> 00:07:15,039 and that's what you do follow me on 119 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:19,150 twitter @jj radio hashtag F to B is the 120 00:07:25,260 --> 00:07:21,520 sandbox it's right up in front of me and 121 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:25,270 we use TweetDeck tweet tech is amazing 122 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:28,120 tweet deck is just takes it's all 123 00:07:30,870 --> 00:07:29,770 automated you know you don't have to 124 00:07:32,909 --> 00:07:30,880 click you know I have to click 125 00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:32,919 notifications or do anything it's just 126 00:07:38,370 --> 00:07:35,710 all up and in front of you and just 127 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:38,380 clicks bye I've got notifications for 128 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:40,030 myself in one column 129 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:42,250 I have hash I give to being another then 130 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:46,150 I have a hash tag F to be Q in another 131 00:07:52,950 --> 00:07:48,310 column then of course Rita so those are 132 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:52,960 the four streams that I follow right 133 00:07:58,800 --> 00:07:56,050 there okay alright TweetDeck and if you 134 00:08:00,570 --> 00:07:58,810 haven't gotten it just just go and find 135 00:08:03,269 --> 00:08:00,580 it and download it I think it installs 136 00:08:06,030 --> 00:08:03,279 in your browser I have the old version 137 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:06,040 that runs as a program I think 138 00:08:10,230 --> 00:08:08,170 I don't even know now been using it for 139 00:08:12,060 --> 00:08:10,240 so long TweetDeck you can also email 140 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:12,070 throughout the show Jimmy at Jimmy 141 00:08:22,620 --> 00:08:17,910 Church radio.com okay I - breaking news 142 00:08:25,110 --> 00:08:22,630 now this is something again that has 143 00:08:28,230 --> 00:08:25,120 probably slipped under your radar and 144 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:28,240 that's why you're here right because I 145 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:29,590 bring you this kind of stuff but 146 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:33,250 breaking news Google has finally 147 00:08:41,490 --> 00:08:37,570 admitted that a project dragonfly air 148 00:08:43,890 --> 00:08:41,500 quotes project dragonfly is indeed in 149 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:43,900 the works now what is project dragonfly 150 00:08:49,710 --> 00:08:46,930 you ask well I'm gonna tell you now but 151 00:08:53,220 --> 00:08:49,720 that's all the googles executives are 152 00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:53,230 saying right now they were with this 153 00:08:57,660 --> 00:08:54,880 codename 154 00:08:59,340 --> 00:08:57,670 you know project dragonfly and it's been 155 00:09:02,610 --> 00:08:59,350 widely reported to be some type of 156 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:02,620 search product or search engine that the 157 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:06,790 company is developing for China the 158 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:10,510 prospect the thought of a Google 159 00:09:16,650 --> 00:09:12,970 sanctioned search engine for China 160 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:16,660 sounds insane it does because it is a 161 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:20,650 Google product that would block websites 162 00:09:27,060 --> 00:09:23,200 and search terms in accordance with 163 00:09:31,830 --> 00:09:27,070 Chinese censorship is total Big Brother 164 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:31,840 it's very scary very scary indeed one of 165 00:09:37,230 --> 00:09:34,180 the things you just need to think about 166 00:09:41,010 --> 00:09:37,240 that it goes against all of our 167 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:41,020 principles right but yet we will develop 168 00:09:49,170 --> 00:09:46,510 it for another country yeah it just 169 00:09:52,530 --> 00:09:49,180 feels funky because it is it's funky now 170 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:52,540 moving on from that project dragonfly go 171 00:09:59,720 --> 00:09:54,850 look it up it's pretty interesting one 172 00:10:03,330 --> 00:09:59,730 of the funniest post I've ever read 173 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:03,340 happened today on Facebook now I didn't 174 00:10:07,620 --> 00:10:05,110 read it directly as you know because I 175 00:10:12,090 --> 00:10:07,630 don't hang out on Facebook anymore but 176 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:12,100 it was tweeted and I caught it there and 177 00:10:18,420 --> 00:10:16,000 it was something about and I dismissed 178 00:10:19,330 --> 00:10:18,430 it immediately by the way but but it was 179 00:10:23,770 --> 00:10:19,340 something about 180 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:23,780 how Gaia Gaia TV is trying to trademark 181 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:30,770 the word disclosure right now pulsing 182 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:33,290 something like this is well it's it's 183 00:10:39,940 --> 00:10:35,690 funny and it's funny for many reasons 184 00:10:43,900 --> 00:10:39,950 but the main one is that our community 185 00:10:44,710 --> 00:10:43,910 is emotional and disclosure means so 186 00:10:48,010 --> 00:10:44,720 much to us 187 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:48,020 to us all right and whatever the meaning 188 00:10:53,740 --> 00:10:51,310 of the word is for us or individuals 189 00:10:56,980 --> 00:10:53,750 disclosures a big word right so you go 190 00:10:59,830 --> 00:10:56,990 and you turn around in and say you know 191 00:11:01,630 --> 00:10:59,840 you know you know how do I say this 192 00:11:07,630 --> 00:11:01,640 right I want to say this in a polite way 193 00:11:11,940 --> 00:11:07,640 so so when some doofus decides to imply 194 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:11,950 that Gaia is trying to own the word 195 00:11:23,370 --> 00:11:16,490 right well our community is emotional so 196 00:11:30,610 --> 00:11:23,380 it's like how evil it's just crazy 197 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:30,620 because first off listen first off you 198 00:11:37,540 --> 00:11:32,870 could try to trademark whatever you want 199 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:37,550 go for it whatever you want to pay pay 200 00:11:42,250 --> 00:11:39,710 to have something trademarked and you 201 00:11:44,820 --> 00:11:42,260 achieve the trademark in your granite a 202 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:44,830 trademark go forward nobody nobody cares 203 00:11:56,590 --> 00:11:52,370 but you can't own a word let's be clear 204 00:11:59,320 --> 00:11:56,600 here and what guy is probably doing and 205 00:12:00,760 --> 00:11:59,330 I don't have any insight to this but guy 206 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:00,770 isn't any different than any other 207 00:12:06,910 --> 00:12:04,880 company or corporation you know what 208 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:06,920 they are probably doing and they are 209 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:08,810 well within their right to do so 210 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:12,250 is protect their stuff that's it 211 00:12:17,590 --> 00:12:15,470 productions work whatever that may 212 00:12:22,060 --> 00:12:17,600 contain the word disclosure 213 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:22,070 it's like end of story I mean you know 214 00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:25,880 oh man they're gonna own took your own 215 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:29,360 disclosure Wow look I've got I've got 216 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:32,930 breaking news for not only the 217 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:35,390 doofus that did the post on Facebook but 218 00:12:40,210 --> 00:12:37,250 anybody else out there that's freaking 219 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:40,220 out we'll be releasing our own film 220 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:45,890 titled disclosure next week nobody's 221 00:12:52,180 --> 00:12:47,360 gonna do anything about it 222 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:52,190 because they can't they won't seriously 223 00:12:57,180 --> 00:12:55,010 everybody just calm down the word 224 00:13:00,340 --> 00:12:57,190 disclosure is used in all forms of media 225 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:00,350 conversation articles and probably baby 226 00:13:08,170 --> 00:13:05,170 food every single day every second of 227 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:08,180 everything that is on this planet and 228 00:13:15,610 --> 00:13:13,130 it's just like done but messing with 229 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:15,620 this community's emotions by posting 230 00:13:24,490 --> 00:13:19,250 total BS for whatever reason on Facebook 231 00:13:28,660 --> 00:13:24,500 is a big bowl of wrong and you need 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I can 260 00:14:38,710 --> 00:14:35,959 just just just think about grease are we 261 00:14:41,949 --> 00:14:38,720 getting old when Olivia newton-john is 262 00:14:44,390 --> 00:14:41,959 70 now I know she's going through some 263 00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:44,400 cancer issues once again in her 264 00:14:49,220 --> 00:14:46,320 life that press release came out last 265 00:14:52,610 --> 00:14:49,230 week and our thoughts and prayers are 266 00:14:57,250 --> 00:14:52,620 with Olivia and happy birthday all right 267 00:15:02,540 --> 00:14:57,260 70 years old on this day in history OTD 268 00:15:05,980 --> 00:15:02,550 1996 US astronaut Shannon lucid returns 269 00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:05,990 to Earth in the space shuttle Atlantis 270 00:15:11,900 --> 00:15:08,820 following six months in orbit aboard the 271 00:15:15,290 --> 00:15:11,910 RUS Russian space station Mir she was 272 00:15:17,510 --> 00:15:15,300 the first American woman to live in a 273 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:17,520 space station and it happened on this 274 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:21,270 day in 1996 Fader fact okay here you go 275 00:15:29,870 --> 00:15:26,130 write this one down you know and my 276 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:29,880 facts here get more unbelievable every 277 00:15:37,460 --> 00:15:33,770 day and here's one for you the cult 278 00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:37,470 awareness Network may have heard of them 279 00:15:45,260 --> 00:15:40,380 you may remember them the cult awareness 280 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:45,270 Network once listed Scientology as its 281 00:15:55,460 --> 00:15:49,350 number one most dangerous cult they did 282 00:16:00,880 --> 00:15:55,470 and then Scientology bought them out in 283 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:00,890 a hostile takeover that's a fact 284 00:16:05,750 --> 00:16:04,170 seriously look that one up that's the 285 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:05,760 one you're gonna whip out at a party 286 00:16:08,420 --> 00:16:07,650 this weekend I guarantee it that's 287 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:08,430 unbelievable 288 00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:14,850 special guest julia mouse bridge is here 289 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:17,030 and we're going to talk about 290 00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:19,770 precognition and time-travel with her 291 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:21,720 new book the premonition code gonna hold 292 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:23,970 it up right there the links to the book 293 00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:26,010 are over at two Jimmy Church radio calm 294 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:29,430 it's an incredible book and one that 295 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:35,010 needs to be read and just even if even 296 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:40,290 if you get this book for the opening 297 00:16:48,110 --> 00:16:44,490 paragraph of chapter one it's worth its 298 00:16:50,350 --> 00:16:48,120 weight in gold right there okay that 299 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:50,360 opening chapter man 300 00:16:55,210 --> 00:16:53,510 it's good and that's our guest tonight 301 00:16:58,780 --> 00:16:55,220 tomorrow night Dean Radin is here and 302 00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:58,790 again I need to emphasize a no fate or 303 00:17:03,819 --> 00:17:00,560 night this week no open lines we haven't 304 00:17:06,250 --> 00:17:03,829 done that I think in like ever on this 305 00:17:08,919 --> 00:17:06,260 show but we've got four nights four 306 00:17:11,679 --> 00:17:08,929 shows four amazing guests all right now 307 00:17:18,370 --> 00:17:11,689 tonight we're gonna discuss time travel 308 00:17:20,429 --> 00:17:18,380 and precognition and there okay thanks 309 00:17:22,569 --> 00:17:20,439 for you two 310 00:17:24,610 --> 00:17:22,579 there are two things that I'd like to 311 00:17:27,010 --> 00:17:24,620 talk about my favorite my fate I mean 312 00:17:28,810 --> 00:17:27,020 you know and yes I have guitars I'll 313 00:17:34,060 --> 00:17:28,820 love to talk Attar's I love to talk 314 00:17:36,730 --> 00:17:34,070 music movies and and an Egypt right 315 00:17:40,330 --> 00:17:36,740 these are things that that you know loss 316 00:17:41,980 --> 00:17:40,340 history and all of that but time travel 317 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:41,990 and precognition or two of my favorite 318 00:17:48,130 --> 00:17:44,450 things seriously and and I research what 319 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:48,140 I can when I can i watch every time 320 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:51,710 travel movie drives rita nuts man I'll 321 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:54,890 just I'll search time-travel movies and 322 00:17:59,950 --> 00:17:58,730 I'll I'll get a list going and seriously 323 00:18:02,049 --> 00:17:59,960 I don't know how we pulled it off but 324 00:18:03,490 --> 00:18:02,059 we've seen everyone right I'm always 325 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:03,500 looking for something else that I 326 00:18:10,510 --> 00:18:06,890 haven't seen and you know what I saw 327 00:18:13,870 --> 00:18:10,520 last night actually Late Late Late I 328 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:13,880 couldn't sleep and I found time-travel 0 329 00:18:18,970 --> 00:18:16,730 the movie about John Titor I've been 330 00:18:20,919 --> 00:18:18,980 waiting for that and I happen to find it 331 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:20,929 I watched that last night at 3 o'clock 332 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:25,130 in the morning time-travel 0 but I watch 333 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:27,290 him all good bad you know it doesn't 334 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:31,010 matter like time-travel zero it was bad 335 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:34,130 it was fun to watch though there are so 336 00:18:39,610 --> 00:18:37,490 many ways to time-travel and I was 337 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:39,620 thinking about this last night that you 338 00:18:49,030 --> 00:18:46,010 know reading Julia's book and I started 339 00:18:51,850 --> 00:18:49,040 to compile mio mines I some thoughts 340 00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:51,860 here for tonight because these are 341 00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,280 important things to talk about there are 342 00:18:59,530 --> 00:18:57,200 so many ways to time-travel in last 343 00:19:02,830 --> 00:18:59,540 month Richard Dolan was on the show and 344 00:19:03,790 --> 00:19:02,840 we talked about it and talked about time 345 00:19:08,620 --> 00:19:03,800 travel and his may 346 00:19:11,050 --> 00:19:08,630 concern is that if time track because he 347 00:19:13,780 --> 00:19:11,060 doesn't buy you know time travel is 348 00:19:17,290 --> 00:19:13,790 being a reality at least the 349 00:19:19,630 --> 00:19:17,300 nuts-and-bolts side of it right and if 350 00:19:22,990 --> 00:19:19,640 somebody time traveled according to 351 00:19:26,980 --> 00:19:23,000 Richard Dolan then the entire universe 352 00:19:29,620 --> 00:19:26,990 would - right and and his view is 353 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:29,630 correct by the way in that instance or 354 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:31,970 the way that he is choosing to look at 355 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:35,770 it you know it's absolutely correct 356 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:40,870 because he's talking about changing time 357 00:19:46,030 --> 00:19:43,610 moving time around and that would 358 00:19:49,690 --> 00:19:46,040 require enormous amounts of energy 359 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:49,700 probably more than is even available in 360 00:19:56,020 --> 00:19:52,850 the entire universe right you know movie 361 00:19:57,820 --> 00:19:56,030 that everybody everything every planet 362 00:20:00,040 --> 00:19:57,830 everything has got to just go backwards 363 00:20:01,630 --> 00:20:00,050 in time and live it over and then what 364 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:01,640 happens to the people in the future and 365 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:03,110 what happened you know all of that well 366 00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,530 you know he's right but there are so 367 00:20:13,330 --> 00:20:08,960 many more versions of time-travel and 368 00:20:16,690 --> 00:20:13,340 the obvious I mean the the obvious the 369 00:20:21,910 --> 00:20:16,700 most easiest and already proven sort of 370 00:20:25,150 --> 00:20:21,920 is Einstein in relativity because you 371 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:25,160 just hop on a ship that's all you do you 372 00:20:31,060 --> 00:20:28,370 hop on a ship you take off fly away from 373 00:20:33,850 --> 00:20:31,070 Earth get up to the speed of light and 374 00:20:36,580 --> 00:20:33,860 then turn around and come back that's 375 00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:36,590 all you have to do and depending on how 376 00:20:41,620 --> 00:20:37,750 long you're gone 377 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:41,630 would determine about how much time has 378 00:20:47,410 --> 00:20:44,630 passed here on earth but one thing is 379 00:20:49,450 --> 00:20:47,420 for sure that everything everyone 380 00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:49,460 everything that you have ever known will 381 00:20:55,030 --> 00:20:53,360 be gone hundreds if not thousands of 382 00:20:57,100 --> 00:20:55,040 years would pass you know it's just 383 00:21:02,650 --> 00:20:57,110 depends on how long you're gone you know 384 00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:02,660 that that round-trip but you would be a 385 00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:04,030 time traveler 386 00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:07,280 you'd be a couple of years older right 387 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:12,500 sure but you just travelled into the 388 00:21:19,550 --> 00:21:16,770 future a thousand years now 389 00:21:23,210 --> 00:21:19,560 how cool is that well the answer is very 390 00:21:25,850 --> 00:21:23,220 right and I get that in fact sign me up 391 00:21:27,340 --> 00:21:25,860 I would do it I would do it in a second 392 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:27,350 and Rita would too 393 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:34,110 but now you would be stuck there no way 394 00:21:41,630 --> 00:21:37,050 to get back right I hope the food is 395 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:41,640 good by the way but you jumped on a ship 396 00:21:52,700 --> 00:21:48,320 and came back no time machine you just 397 00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:52,710 cruised no technology you just cruised 398 00:22:03,380 --> 00:21:59,520 right now the question gets more 399 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:03,390 complicated of an actual time machine 400 00:22:08,540 --> 00:22:06,690 you know HG Wells style you know that is 401 00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:08,550 something altogether different and this 402 00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:10,470 kind of goes back a little bit to what 403 00:22:15,740 --> 00:22:13,260 Richard Dolan was talking about but you 404 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:15,750 know John Titor right don't get me 405 00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:16,710 started on that 406 00:22:25,090 --> 00:22:19,860 I got Teeter on the brain after Time 407 00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:25,100 Traveller's zero but is it possible 408 00:22:31,550 --> 00:22:29,640 absolutely it is it's 100% possible and 409 00:22:35,420 --> 00:22:31,560 before you ask you know why 410 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:35,430 well first off nobody can say that it's 411 00:22:44,740 --> 00:22:41,450 impossible they can't write in another 412 00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:44,750 another form of time travel is the mind 413 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:48,240 time traveling with the mind and I like 414 00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:51,330 that one I do know time machine needed 415 00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:54,360 right what about what about seeing the 416 00:22:59,840 --> 00:22:56,910 past or the future with a visual aid you 417 00:23:03,170 --> 00:22:59,850 know and and using technology to access 418 00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:03,180 that maybe view it on a flat screen or 419 00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:06,030 the famous chrono visor you have that 420 00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:08,910 aspect of it too George Van Tassel 421 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:11,430 talked about everything being recorded 422 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:14,310 in our atmosphere and that we could view 423 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:17,610 things going back seven years and that 424 00:23:21,530 --> 00:23:19,890 he built a machine to do it right here 425 00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:21,540 by the way in Southern California in 426 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:24,030 downtown Santa Monica he talked about 427 00:23:28,220 --> 00:23:26,610 that and and recording it you know 428 00:23:29,659 --> 00:23:28,230 pulling it out of the ether that 429 00:23:32,629 --> 00:23:29,669 everything is there 430 00:23:35,539 --> 00:23:32,639 now after seven years it goes away these 431 00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:35,549 ideas wouldn't require the physical body 432 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:37,799 to go anywhere and of course you know 433 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:41,089 eat up that Richard Dolan sized energy 434 00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:44,129 requirements but we have to remember a 435 00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:48,179 few things here the earth is the earth 436 00:23:54,229 --> 00:23:50,820 is rotating I'm gonna do I need a visual 437 00:23:56,089 --> 00:23:54,239 aid for for the I'll use my skull all 438 00:23:58,459 --> 00:23:56,099 right for the camera the earth is 439 00:24:00,889 --> 00:23:58,469 rotating we know that right okay 440 00:24:02,810 --> 00:24:00,899 every 24 hours a day right earth is 441 00:24:05,419 --> 00:24:02,820 rotating but then the earth is rotating 442 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:05,429 around the Sun too as well I'll grab a 443 00:24:11,959 --> 00:24:09,450 bigger skull this big heavy one right so 444 00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:11,969 we know this right this is what's going 445 00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:15,089 on all the time so and you have space 446 00:24:21,859 --> 00:24:18,179 involved so if this is going on and then 447 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:21,869 this is going out at the same time how 448 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:24,450 do you make sure that you just get 449 00:24:30,379 --> 00:24:26,609 things done correctly and you land where 450 00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:30,389 you need to land you know and if you're 451 00:24:36,649 --> 00:24:31,529 going to be disappearing and reappearing 452 00:24:38,479 --> 00:24:36,659 you know teleporting and then even 453 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:38,489 throwing time-traveling into the mix you 454 00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,070 know and and not messing anything up you 455 00:24:47,690 --> 00:24:43,279 know that's really really big technology 456 00:24:50,749 --> 00:24:47,700 Dolan is not wrong well he never is but 457 00:24:52,399 --> 00:24:50,759 in this case he's really not wrong but 458 00:24:56,629 --> 00:24:52,409 that doesn't mean that it hasn't been 459 00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:56,639 solved in the future and I know this 460 00:25:04,219 --> 00:24:59,820 gets a little bit complicated but listen 461 00:25:07,009 --> 00:25:04,229 to this see if if Rita and I did take 462 00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:07,019 off at the speed of light and we 463 00:25:13,459 --> 00:25:10,679 returned ten thousand years from now and 464 00:25:16,069 --> 00:25:13,469 we managed to somehow make it back to 465 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:16,079 earth right and earth is moving but we 466 00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:18,690 come back to her ten years ten thousand 467 00:25:25,879 --> 00:25:21,059 years from now but maybe we're ten years 468 00:25:29,209 --> 00:25:25,889 older but we find out ten thousand years 469 00:25:33,889 --> 00:25:29,219 from now that they've got time machines 470 00:25:35,629 --> 00:25:33,899 that they figured it out and that we 471 00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:35,639 don't have to be bummed out we don't 472 00:25:40,729 --> 00:25:37,379 have to be stuck in the future with the 473 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:40,739 bad food right with the all vegan 474 00:25:45,030 --> 00:25:42,370 processed diet 475 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:45,040 now we don't you know out of a out of a 476 00:25:54,140 --> 00:25:48,970 toothpaste tube no and they would return 477 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:54,150 us back to here in time for Fator night 478 00:26:03,420 --> 00:25:59,290 it could happen seriously and that's why 479 00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:03,430 I enjoy time travel it's a thought of it 480 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:07,150 and the possibility of Precog to be able 481 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:10,090 to predict the future and to know the 482 00:26:14,940 --> 00:26:12,490 future and to see the future I think all 483 00:26:18,690 --> 00:26:14,950 of this is is not only a reality it's 484 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:18,700 it's it's very very possible and if we 485 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:21,510 just go down to the very basics of 486 00:26:27,630 --> 00:26:25,210 Einstein and relativity that version of 487 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:27,640 time-travel doesn't require a time 488 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:30,370 machine and lasers and he's that no it 489 00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:32,110 requires getting up to the speed of 490 00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:36,550 light but that is all possible that's 491 00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:41,200 all real back to John Titor one of the 492 00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:44,590 main reasons his story may be true and I 493 00:26:52,620 --> 00:26:47,590 talked about this is that nobody has 494 00:26:56,130 --> 00:26:52,630 gotten caught there is too much stuff to 495 00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:56,140 be fabricated not not the story well 496 00:27:01,260 --> 00:26:58,990 that too but but it's the time machine 497 00:27:03,270 --> 00:27:01,270 it's the graphics it's the manuals it's 498 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:03,280 the artwork today it's pretty pretty 499 00:27:08,669 --> 00:27:05,950 easy to pull off okay you can do it but 500 00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:08,679 but 20 years ago not so much you would 501 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:12,600 have had too many people involved that 502 00:27:18,450 --> 00:27:16,090 artists and engineers and and scientist 503 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:18,460 and science fiction writers 504 00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,530 personalities computer experts you we'd 505 00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:22,720 have to have all of that as well as 506 00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:24,700 model fabricators and all of those 507 00:27:30,660 --> 00:27:28,200 things to pull this off right but nobody 508 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:30,670 involved if that is the case if it was 509 00:27:37,950 --> 00:27:34,750 just some giant hoax done for fun nobody 510 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:37,960 cracked and nobody came forward and the 511 00:27:42,030 --> 00:27:40,330 more complex something is when you're 512 00:27:45,090 --> 00:27:42,040 trying to keep something as secret and 513 00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:45,100 the more people involved the higher the 514 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:46,990 possibility that somebody's gonna crack 515 00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:49,690 somebody's somebody would have been able 516 00:27:54,510 --> 00:27:51,940 to come forward about the John Titor 517 00:27:55,740 --> 00:27:54,520 story and been more famous than John 518 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:55,750 Titor in the story 519 00:27:59,910 --> 00:27:58,210 itself and they could have disclosed 520 00:28:02,160 --> 00:27:59,920 everything here's the time machine 521 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:02,170 here's the car we shot it in here's the 522 00:28:05,460 --> 00:28:03,730 garage we did it here's the computers 523 00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:05,470 that we did here's the saina here's how 524 00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:07,030 we did this here's how we made the 525 00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:08,860 graphics here's how we wrote the manuals 526 00:28:13,380 --> 00:28:10,600 we did all this how we uploaded it 527 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:13,390 here's our IP addresses as how we did it 528 00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:15,970 this is why we did Florida and this all 529 00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:19,240 of it it would have been an amazing 530 00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:22,030 story and and somebody Ben would have 531 00:28:27,090 --> 00:28:23,500 been really famous but that never 532 00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:27,100 happened so the possibility is there 533 00:28:32,670 --> 00:28:29,830 there's no way to say that it didn't 534 00:28:35,850 --> 00:28:32,680 happen just like anything else you can't 535 00:28:39,870 --> 00:28:35,860 predict you just can't you can't do it 536 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:39,880 you can't you can't so think about that 537 00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:43,570 for a second the future time travel you 538 00:28:50,610 --> 00:28:47,260 don't need a time machine you just don't 539 00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:50,620 and and if you were able to pull that 540 00:28:55,470 --> 00:28:52,870 off and come back in 10,000 years 541 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:55,480 there's no telling what and there's no 542 00:28:59,550 --> 00:28:57,490 time machine involved and suddenly we 543 00:29:03,480 --> 00:28:59,560 have time travelers that are coming back 544 00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:03,490 here think about that says is fade to 545 00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:03,760 black 546 00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:06,190 I am your host Jimmy Church our guest 547 00:29:12,410 --> 00:29:08,830 tonight Julia Moss bridge we're talking 548 00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:12,420 about her new book the premonition code 549 00:29:17,070 --> 00:29:14,950 that's right precognition and time 550 00:29:17,340 --> 00:29:17,080 travel all night tonight on fade to 551 00:29:19,170 --> 00:29:17,350 black 552 00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:19,180 our mural Jimmy Church I'll be right 553 00:29:26,380 --> 00:29:21,700 back with 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642 00:34:41,659 --> 00:34:40,620 shows four nights for guests this week 643 00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:41,669 tonight 644 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:45,030 Julia Moss bridge tomorrow night Dean 645 00:34:51,140 --> 00:34:48,270 Radin is here tonight we're gonna 646 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:51,150 discuss precognition and time travel my 647 00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:54,210 two favorite subjects well that in the 648 00:35:00,970 --> 00:34:57,180 Great Pyramid and maybe a good taco 649 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:00,980 truck but Precog and time travel 650 00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,170 Julie Maas bridge ph.d is a futurist 651 00:35:08,530 --> 00:35:07,200 trained in cognitive neuroscience she's 652 00:35:11,690 --> 00:35:08,540 a fellow at the Institute of noetic 653 00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:11,700 sciences and a visiting scholar at 654 00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:13,350 Northwestern University in the 655 00:35:18,260 --> 00:35:15,990 Department of Psychology dr. Maas bridge 656 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:18,270 is the co walked a co-author of a 657 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:20,250 transcendent mind one of the first 658 00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:22,950 academic books to examine paranormal 659 00:35:28,610 --> 00:35:24,780 experiences published by American 660 00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:28,620 Psychological Association in 2017 her 661 00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:31,740 research focus is precognition and the 662 00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:33,960 possibility of time travel 663 00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:36,600 I am excited and I would like to welcome 664 00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:38,580 for the first time to fade to black 665 00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:42,720 dr. Julia Maas bridge dr. Julia Moss 666 00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:45,120 bridge I don't know where to go can I go 667 00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:55,010 No thank you so much but before we move 668 00:36:00,200 --> 00:35:57,540 forward you get the first-time guests 669 00:36:01,340 --> 00:36:00,210 disclaimer so let's do that now and get 670 00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,350 that out of the way you ready 671 00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:03,900 great okay it's just you and I sitting 672 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:06,720 on my couch having a conversation as 673 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:08,730 friends where the conversation starts it 674 00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:11,010 starts where it ends it ends but we're 675 00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:13,430 going to end as friends that's it right 676 00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:21,640 I I don't know where to start with you 677 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:26,910 because there is so much to cover in in 678 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:29,370 in in in way too many directions and I 679 00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:32,850 can do all of that with you so I'm going 680 00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,550 to kind of keep it simple but the first 681 00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:37,440 thing that I've got to get out of the 682 00:36:43,069 --> 00:36:38,190 way 683 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:43,079 in academia in professional academia you 684 00:36:46,940 --> 00:36:44,609 know when you're dealing with things 685 00:36:48,859 --> 00:36:46,950 like Precog and time travel and I know 686 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:48,869 you get this all the time and you think 687 00:36:58,849 --> 00:36:52,490 about it probably all the time it's not 688 00:37:02,420 --> 00:36:58,859 a chosen career path for most and why 689 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:02,430 why did you decide it's difficult I've 690 00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:10,410 got to know you know why yeah I'm sort 691 00:37:15,620 --> 00:37:13,470 of the easy answer is probably not the 692 00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:15,630 true answer but it's a good story which 693 00:37:20,799 --> 00:37:18,900 is that and it's partly true I guess is 694 00:37:24,319 --> 00:37:20,809 that since I was a kid I've had 695 00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:24,329 experiences out of the order of the 696 00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,980 linear order of what they tell us time 697 00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,359 is supposed to be so you're supposed to 698 00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:29,400 have this order of past present future 699 00:37:33,380 --> 00:37:32,220 and we're in the present and we remember 700 00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:33,390 the past and the future is the thing 701 00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:36,990 that hasn't happened yet and since I was 702 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:38,760 a kid I would have these sort of 703 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:40,410 knowings about future events in my 704 00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:45,240 waking life or dreams that would play 705 00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,369 out in detail over the next you know day 706 00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:50,220 or so and I really got it at an early 707 00:37:55,700 --> 00:37:52,200 age that what I was being told about 708 00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:55,710 time wasn't what the truth was about 709 00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:58,650 time and so when you have personal 710 00:38:02,690 --> 00:38:00,359 experiences like that and you have a 711 00:38:04,279 --> 00:38:02,700 scientific sort of bent so the way you 712 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:04,289 think or the way you sort of want to be 713 00:38:09,289 --> 00:38:06,890 in the world or what what turns you on 714 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:09,299 you you know it's very likely that you 715 00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,710 end up studying this so that's sort of 716 00:38:15,980 --> 00:38:12,480 the story that's I guess partially true 717 00:38:23,450 --> 00:38:15,990 the other the other part of it is I I 718 00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:23,460 feel like there's almost a call from the 719 00:38:37,789 --> 00:38:34,859 future that I can't ignore okay right 720 00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:37,799 John Titor sent you an email is what 721 00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:41,880 you're saying so and and and I think 722 00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:45,000 that part is great and and I understand 723 00:38:49,940 --> 00:38:47,640 it but what about your colleagues I mean 724 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:49,950 would you divulge that part of it it's 725 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:51,730 one thing to research time to 726 00:38:55,799 --> 00:38:54,190 you know physicists are doing it and and 727 00:38:58,260 --> 00:38:55,809 precognition and trying to figure out 728 00:39:00,660 --> 00:38:58,270 quantum theory and mechanics and 729 00:39:03,569 --> 00:39:00,670 relativity okay all right okay that that 730 00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,579 makes sense but would you discuss your 731 00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:06,400 reasons for doing it with your 732 00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:13,839 colleagues so it just depends on how 733 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:16,240 open-minded the person is you know with 734 00:39:21,089 --> 00:39:18,910 whom I'm speaking and and what I noticed 735 00:39:23,730 --> 00:39:21,099 actually is that they at the higher 736 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:23,740 higher the status the person in science 737 00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:25,930 the more likely they are to have an open 738 00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:27,880 mind because they don't have as much to 739 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:30,190 sort of lose and so they're just like 740 00:39:33,089 --> 00:39:31,930 sure okay tell me about that well how do 741 00:39:34,319 --> 00:39:33,099 you think about this well what about 742 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:34,329 this and we can have a conversation 743 00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:35,290 about it 744 00:39:42,089 --> 00:39:38,380 because there also when you get to the 745 00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:42,099 higher levels of scientists they've kind 746 00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:43,660 of gotten used to the idea that they 747 00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:45,160 don't really understand everything right 748 00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:47,980 and so they're a little bit more at 749 00:39:53,099 --> 00:39:50,260 peace with that they don't know the 750 00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:53,109 rules of the way nature works easier to 751 00:39:57,089 --> 00:39:55,089 have that conversation with them but I 752 00:39:58,650 --> 00:39:57,099 still like the mystical peace I only say 753 00:40:00,180 --> 00:39:58,660 that to a few people that apparently a 754 00:40:02,819 --> 00:40:00,190 bunch of people who listen to your show 755 00:40:05,730 --> 00:40:02,829 well you know that may be true but 756 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:05,740 there's there's another thing that I'm 757 00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:09,700 rather enjoying today science went 758 00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:13,030 through a couple of really cool phases 759 00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,160 and probably 50 60 years ago things were 760 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:21,280 happening at a very fast clip and those 761 00:40:27,210 --> 00:40:24,250 physicists and the the theoretical 762 00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:27,220 physicists and and the astronomers of 763 00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,160 the world thought that they were 764 00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:31,599 understanding it all and they had it 765 00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:35,920 figured out today they have found out 766 00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:40,000 that actually they know nothing that's 767 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:42,280 that's I think it's a brilliant place to 768 00:40:48,299 --> 00:40:46,450 be that they know now that everything 769 00:40:50,819 --> 00:40:48,309 that they thought that they understood 770 00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,829 about you know they were coming to terms 771 00:40:56,130 --> 00:40:52,720 with gravity they were coming to terms 772 00:40:58,890 --> 00:40:56,140 with time and space time and an atomic 773 00:41:01,080 --> 00:40:58,900 sand subatomic particles and all of 774 00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:01,090 these things were just happening 775 00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:02,980 and now they don't even know what holds 776 00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:06,280 and add them together it's sort of it 777 00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:08,140 away it's like actually what has 778 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:09,420 happened is third of the mainstream 779 00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:11,650 physicists and scientists have caught up 780 00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:15,040 to what the the Vanguard already knew 781 00:41:18,930 --> 00:41:16,630 long ago like if you'd listened to 782 00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:18,940 Richard Feynman's lectures on quantum 783 00:41:23,330 --> 00:41:20,620 mechanics I've been listening to them 784 00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:23,340 lately and I just came across this 785 00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:26,080 something he said the other day man I 786 00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,250 was listening where he said something 787 00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:29,200 like look we don't know I could explain 788 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:31,990 you to quantum mechanics until you know 789 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:33,610 I'm blue blue in the face essentially 790 00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:35,380 but we don't know any underlying 791 00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:37,060 principles that are causing we don't 792 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:38,560 know why this is the consequence of that 793 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:40,210 we could just tell you what happens I 794 00:41:47,970 --> 00:41:43,110 listened to his lectures every night and 795 00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:47,980 he that whole group by the way when when 796 00:41:54,330 --> 00:41:52,390 you start to get into the that part of 797 00:41:56,670 --> 00:41:54,340 academia and you're listening to them I 798 00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:56,680 think it's so fascinating where they go 799 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:00,160 you know the the math of of string 800 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:02,410 theory in quantum mechanics works we 801 00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:04,330 can't get it to mess up but we don't 802 00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:12,520 know why so so I feel like people are 803 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:14,590 starting to now catch people who maybe 804 00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:16,330 aren't at that level but are learning 805 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:17,620 from that level are starting to get now 806 00:42:20,730 --> 00:42:19,090 wait a minute but there's so many open 807 00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:20,740 questions and I love this phase the 808 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:22,390 phase of not knowing I think is the most 809 00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:25,570 fruitful phase in science yeah that's 810 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:28,390 right that's right now okay 811 00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:31,650 let's let's break a couple of ideas down 812 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:37,920 I I try to understand every type of 813 00:42:42,690 --> 00:42:39,760 time-travel there could be or 814 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:42,700 precognition because of the you know 815 00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:44,290 there's physical there's the mind 816 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:47,350 there's time machines and there's all 817 00:42:52,860 --> 00:42:49,990 kinds of ideas right and relativity to 818 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:52,870 me is is the best foundation of it all 819 00:42:58,920 --> 00:42:55,810 but with all of the tripping that I've 820 00:43:06,270 --> 00:42:58,930 done on this subject over the years your 821 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:06,280 opening paragraph in your new book yes 822 00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:08,170 yes in the premonition code I'm not 823 00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,060 going to read the entire paragraph I 824 00:43:16,859 --> 00:43:12,400 would love to but 825 00:43:19,739 --> 00:43:16,869 the way that your mind works for you to 826 00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:19,749 think up this scene I'm talking about 827 00:43:29,789 --> 00:43:26,680 the car sales okay your mind works in a 828 00:43:34,049 --> 00:43:29,799 way that I think is is very very clever 829 00:43:36,479 --> 00:43:34,059 because this is a presentation of Precog 830 00:43:38,549 --> 00:43:36,489 and what it could mean in in real life 831 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:38,559 that I don't think anybody has really 832 00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:42,249 put together before so I'm not gonna 833 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:44,049 read the paragraph you know what I'm 834 00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:47,890 talking about here and certainly I'll 835 00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:50,950 set up the end of it which is if the 836 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:53,049 cars if you're gonna die in the car you 837 00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:56,729 can't buy it okay now to get to that 838 00:44:03,299 --> 00:43:59,880 hotel tell us about that opening 839 00:44:06,209 --> 00:44:03,309 paragraph what is it about explain it to 840 00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:06,219 the audience and and I'm just gonna sit 841 00:44:11,489 --> 00:44:07,599 back and enjoy myself because I think 842 00:44:13,229 --> 00:44:11,499 it's really well done Thanks well I've 843 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:13,239 been thinking for much of my life about 844 00:44:22,589 --> 00:44:17,130 what if we really understood that 845 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:22,599 precognition is not only not only a 846 00:44:28,140 --> 00:44:25,690 scientific phenomenon but it's very 847 00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:28,150 common and that it can actually be 848 00:44:31,380 --> 00:44:30,460 developed and I was like okay what would 849 00:44:33,059 --> 00:44:31,390 that be like well we would have 850 00:44:36,859 --> 00:44:33,069 something that I like to call the Precog 851 00:44:39,469 --> 00:44:36,869 economy which is you've got people who 852 00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:39,479 know it's their job and get paid for 853 00:44:44,249 --> 00:44:42,190 using their well-developed precognition 854 00:44:46,410 --> 00:44:44,259 for various purposes well what do we 855 00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:46,420 what can we use that for well so one 856 00:44:51,209 --> 00:44:49,569 example is a car company might want to 857 00:44:53,219 --> 00:44:51,219 hire someone who literally sits with you 858 00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:53,229 when you decide you want to purchase a 859 00:44:58,469 --> 00:44:56,950 car and goes into the special state 860 00:45:01,019 --> 00:44:58,479 where they can access information about 861 00:45:03,059 --> 00:45:01,029 probabilities of future events and they 862 00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:03,069 go okay I clear you because you know 863 00:45:05,549 --> 00:45:04,150 you're gonna have a fender bender but 864 00:45:07,859 --> 00:45:05,559 really no big deal 865 00:45:09,799 --> 00:45:07,869 and they let you go on your way and you 866 00:45:12,779 --> 00:45:09,809 could actually reduce accidents that way 867 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:12,789 for the car company or what if or what 868 00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:15,130 if there was a person who was working at 869 00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:17,140 for instance a hospital and their job 870 00:45:20,279 --> 00:45:19,089 was to go into the state where they 871 00:45:21,779 --> 00:45:20,289 could get information about future 872 00:45:24,749 --> 00:45:21,789 events and look at the probabilities of 873 00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:24,759 needing a certain number of doctors at 874 00:45:27,970 --> 00:45:25,640 certain times 875 00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:27,980 during the week in the coming week and 876 00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:31,190 so their job is to plan out the ebb and 877 00:45:36,549 --> 00:45:33,440 the flow of the emergency room doctors 878 00:45:38,769 --> 00:45:36,559 and nurses just based on their 879 00:45:41,259 --> 00:45:38,779 precognition right I mean so you could 880 00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,269 go almost every human problem that we 881 00:45:45,309 --> 00:45:43,760 have if you have information about the 882 00:45:47,019 --> 00:45:45,319 probabilities of future events you can 883 00:45:48,339 --> 00:45:47,029 actually address that problem so I just 884 00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:48,349 thought of something that would be fun 885 00:45:55,029 --> 00:45:51,950 if you had someone who's literally 886 00:45:56,799 --> 00:45:55,039 sitting in a hammock and Hostin you have 887 00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,809 to wait until she hops out of the 888 00:46:01,420 --> 00:45:58,160 hammock and tells you you're okay 889 00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:01,430 to go ahead and buy the car before you 890 00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:02,569 can buy the car and then everyone's 891 00:46:06,759 --> 00:46:05,089 happy that was just one example of sort 892 00:46:09,339 --> 00:46:06,769 of many that you could imagine certainly 893 00:46:11,259 --> 00:46:09,349 there would be jobs where you would be a 894 00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:11,269 Precog trainer for children and find out 895 00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,190 the people who had really excellent 896 00:46:16,539 --> 00:46:14,960 gifts and then help foster that and then 897 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:16,549 help them move into a career well maybe 898 00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,930 they're working for the UN on the 899 00:46:24,579 --> 00:46:20,240 positive Precog Council where they're 900 00:46:27,279 --> 00:46:24,589 helping people avoid terrorist attacks 901 00:46:30,190 --> 00:46:27,289 in certain countries or they're helping 902 00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:30,200 prevents something that is seen maybe 20 903 00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:32,500 or 30 years down the line in terms of 904 00:46:37,029 --> 00:46:35,599 environmental change so there's all 905 00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:37,039 sorts of ways that if you start thinking 906 00:46:40,180 --> 00:46:38,720 about that we can get probabilities of 907 00:46:42,490 --> 00:46:40,190 future events that we can actually shape 908 00:46:47,140 --> 00:46:42,500 our lives for the better and help the 909 00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:47,150 world and the the the couple is sitting 910 00:46:54,940 --> 00:46:50,329 and I just I really enjoyed the visuals 911 00:46:57,539 --> 00:46:54,950 of this looking at the the awards right 912 00:47:00,059 --> 00:46:57,549 for the sales person in the background 913 00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:00,069 one of them while one of them was 914 00:47:07,390 --> 00:47:04,160 airbags right and I just thought you 915 00:47:10,749 --> 00:47:07,400 know this actually makes a lot of sense 916 00:47:12,789 --> 00:47:10,759 right and so as a couple that's always 917 00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,799 nervous and apprehensive about buying a 918 00:47:16,509 --> 00:47:14,960 car but they picked out this car they 919 00:47:18,999 --> 00:47:16,519 fell in love with it now you've got to 920 00:47:20,859 --> 00:47:19,009 have a relationship with the salesperson 921 00:47:22,809 --> 00:47:20,869 you've got to build up that trust right 922 00:47:23,980 --> 00:47:22,819 and so they're looking at the awards and 923 00:47:25,779 --> 00:47:23,990 they're feeling pretty good about it 924 00:47:27,759 --> 00:47:25,789 well she knows she's got Precog 925 00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:27,769 abilities with airbags and she's won 926 00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,079 awards you know this this is a good 927 00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:32,960 thing but but what if she you know the 928 00:47:35,890 --> 00:47:34,430 the ultimate quite what if she comes 929 00:47:38,529 --> 00:47:35,900 back and says you're gonna die in this 930 00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:38,539 car and so I can't sell it to you 931 00:47:43,249 --> 00:47:39,599 because we've 932 00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:43,259 likes badly on the car company and so 933 00:47:49,279 --> 00:47:45,720 let's go pick out something else right 934 00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,289 and what what what a smart way to put 935 00:47:54,559 --> 00:47:52,079 all of this together where Precog in 936 00:47:56,749 --> 00:47:54,569 science fiction is one thing but this is 937 00:48:00,079 --> 00:47:56,759 a real-life scenario that I could see 938 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:00,089 actually playing out right right that's 939 00:48:03,170 --> 00:48:01,650 why I stuck at the beginning of the book 940 00:48:04,370 --> 00:48:03,180 because I wanted to get people to see 941 00:48:08,019 --> 00:48:04,380 sort of the way this could be sort of 942 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:08,029 normalized it's a it's a really well 943 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:10,680 well thought out way because I just I 944 00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,569 got grounded with it and I couldn't wait 945 00:48:16,999 --> 00:48:14,880 to to finish the book I just thought wow 946 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:17,009 that the picture is painted really well 947 00:48:26,029 --> 00:48:21,210 here but now what is the difference 948 00:48:28,489 --> 00:48:26,039 between precognition which is a pretty 949 00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:28,499 serious thing as opposed to something 950 00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:31,440 everyday like deja vu that everybody 951 00:48:40,029 --> 00:48:36,390 tends to experience right well you know 952 00:48:44,989 --> 00:48:40,039 okay so let's talk about that so deja vu 953 00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:44,999 is traditionally thought of as being so 954 00:48:49,549 --> 00:48:47,640 it's traditionally thought of among sort 955 00:48:51,170 --> 00:48:49,559 of neuroscientist I guess that you're 956 00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:51,180 receiving information through your sense 957 00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:53,369 sensory system and you're sort of 958 00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,529 labeling it like oh this is now this is 959 00:49:00,380 --> 00:48:58,319 now this is now and you're also labeling 960 00:49:02,269 --> 00:49:00,390 it with oh this is familiar this is 961 00:49:03,979 --> 00:49:02,279 familiar this is familiar as soon as 962 00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:03,989 you've experienced something right oh 963 00:49:07,009 --> 00:49:05,579 that thing that was something I 964 00:49:09,249 --> 00:49:07,019 experienced a minute ago that's familiar 965 00:49:12,170 --> 00:49:09,259 so that's a label so it has a label of 966 00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:12,180 now and and when you've experienced it 967 00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:14,700 it has the label of familiar and so the 968 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:17,099 idea that sort of thought in 969 00:49:22,219 --> 00:49:18,690 neuro-scientific circles of what happens 970 00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:22,229 in deja vu is you're experiencing 971 00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,049 something now that also has the familiar 972 00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:28,079 label and that's a little bit of a 973 00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:29,880 paradox because it's usually either now 974 00:49:36,229 --> 00:49:33,119 or familiar but not both mm-hmm right 975 00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:36,239 so so then the idea is that either your 976 00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,950 brain has slipped up and has labeled 977 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:39,359 something now that is actually something 978 00:49:42,709 --> 00:49:41,249 you experienced in the past and it's 979 00:49:45,019 --> 00:49:42,719 just representing it's like showing you 980 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:45,029 a movie clip that you just saw by 981 00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,690 mistake or it's labeling something as 982 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:51,599 familiar that's not familiar that is 983 00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:53,130 actually happening now 984 00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:55,529 a third option could be that it's in 985 00:50:01,549 --> 00:49:59,579 fact precognition right so so most of 986 00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:01,559 the neuroscientific community doesn't go 987 00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,910 for that third option and there's good 988 00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:04,319 reason for that because you can 989 00:50:08,299 --> 00:50:06,599 stimulate someone's brain and make them 990 00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:08,309 have a deja boo' experience and we know 991 00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:10,230 that that's not precognition so it's 992 00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:11,910 definitely the case that there are deja 993 00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:13,140 boo' experiences that are not 994 00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:16,190 precognition but the other reason why 995 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:18,119 neuroscientists and not to think about 996 00:50:22,339 --> 00:50:19,890 it is most of them don't understand that 997 00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:22,349 there's evidence actually actual 998 00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:23,880 rigorous scientific evidence supporting 999 00:50:30,259 --> 00:50:28,380 that precognition is a thing right so 1000 00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:30,269 most of them don't know that and said 1001 00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:31,740 they wouldn't wouldn't consider it yeah 1002 00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:36,720 and to not consider it being Precog or 1003 00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:41,190 something fantastical right yeah is is 1004 00:50:46,099 --> 00:50:44,400 an excuse and an easy way out probably 1005 00:50:49,249 --> 00:50:46,109 because they don't want to be challenged 1006 00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,259 and they want to just make it easy and 1007 00:50:52,789 --> 00:50:51,119 move off of the subject because they're 1008 00:50:56,749 --> 00:50:52,799 not comfortable with it that's probably 1009 00:50:59,299 --> 00:50:56,759 it but it's also cheapening what the 1010 00:51:02,359 --> 00:50:59,309 experience actually is because I think 1011 00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,369 that you know when I have a deja vu most 1012 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:04,319 people have a real deja vu when it's 1013 00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:07,170 going down you know it's it's something 1014 00:51:12,529 --> 00:51:08,910 that's extraordinary 1015 00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:12,539 you know and you you know it is you're 1016 00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:16,079 one step ahead of the future and you're 1017 00:51:20,059 --> 00:51:17,910 watching it play out in front of you and 1018 00:51:23,269 --> 00:51:20,069 you know that that's what the experience 1019 00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:23,279 actually is and you step back going how 1020 00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:25,710 can this happen the future isn't 1021 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:28,980 supposed to be known but I know what's 1022 00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:31,650 about to happen you know and it could be 1023 00:51:39,859 --> 00:51:35,940 also Julia a great length of time it 1024 00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,869 could be seconds five seconds ten 1025 00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:42,000 seconds ahead you know ginormous amounts 1026 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:45,240 of time that you are ahead of what's 1027 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:47,490 going on and you're watching it play out 1028 00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:50,690 and you know that that isn't some 1029 00:51:57,140 --> 00:51:53,819 familiar connection happening with past 1030 00:51:59,089 --> 00:51:57,150 memories or whatever neuroscientist is 1031 00:52:01,519 --> 00:51:59,099 gonna give you the excuse for well I 1032 00:52:03,230 --> 00:52:01,529 mean I mean I could say for sure that 1033 00:52:04,759 --> 00:52:03,240 you have the experience that everyone 1034 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:04,769 who has deja vu has this experience that 1035 00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:06,330 something strange is going on 1036 00:52:10,690 --> 00:52:08,760 but it but it is you know sort of 1037 00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,700 provably the case then in some cases 1038 00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:12,960 that really is your brain playing a 1039 00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:14,190 trick and the reason that that's 1040 00:52:18,050 --> 00:52:16,170 provably the case is because you could 1041 00:52:20,810 --> 00:52:18,060 literally stimulate the brain and cause 1042 00:52:22,550 --> 00:52:20,820 people to have that experience so you 1043 00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:22,560 can cause the brain to play that trick 1044 00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:24,660 but that but the problem is that a lot 1045 00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:26,670 of people make the leap from that 1046 00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,550 experiment to saying that in every case 1047 00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:31,200 it's your brain playing a trick on you 1048 00:52:35,810 --> 00:52:33,420 and that's what that's what I think we 1049 00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:35,820 have to be careful about is say no just 1050 00:52:40,070 --> 00:52:37,740 what you were saying in some cases this 1051 00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:40,080 is this is a this is a real prediction 1052 00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:42,990 but if it is a real precognition then 1053 00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:44,790 you should be able to do an experiment 1054 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:48,660 where you are able to predict the future 1055 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:51,810 event at a rate greater you know then 1056 00:52:58,430 --> 00:52:55,530 chance okay and how do you do this yes 1057 00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,440 so that's the kind of experimenting that 1058 00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:00,480 we do in the lab we don't use deja vu 1059 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:03,420 because we don't because it's so 1060 00:53:07,070 --> 00:53:05,130 spontaneous it's hard to capture in the 1061 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:07,080 lab but we can do these experiments 1062 00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,170 there's kind of two kinds there's one 1063 00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:13,040 that's called an explicit or conscious 1064 00:53:16,220 --> 00:53:15,000 precognition experiment where we 1065 00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:16,230 consciously are asking you to 1066 00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,730 consciously sit around in that and 1067 00:53:20,570 --> 00:53:19,200 answer the question what do you think is 1068 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:20,580 gonna happen next right 1069 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:22,530 gradually right so that's a conscious 1070 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:25,530 precognition experiment then there's the 1071 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:28,050 unconscious or implicit pre cognizant 1072 00:53:31,790 --> 00:53:30,210 precognition experiments which are about 1073 00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:31,800 oh we're gonna have you look at some 1074 00:53:35,090 --> 00:53:32,910 things on a screen and press some 1075 00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,100 buttons and you know it's all just a 1076 00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:37,440 cognitive task and we're not telling you 1077 00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:38,790 or maybe we're only telling you 1078 00:53:43,460 --> 00:53:41,910 afterwards that it turns out what we 1079 00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:43,470 were testing was precognition but 1080 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:44,960 there's no way you could have known that 1081 00:53:50,180 --> 00:53:48,330 consciously so those are the two 1082 00:53:51,860 --> 00:53:50,190 different kinds and it turns out they 1083 00:53:55,460 --> 00:53:51,870 have very different properties so in 1084 00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:55,470 terms of fast precognition like you know 1085 00:54:01,720 --> 00:53:57,930 their time frame of like milliseconds to 1086 00:54:04,550 --> 00:54:01,730 seconds right the unconscious 1087 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:04,560 precognition seems to dominate on 1088 00:54:08,180 --> 00:54:06,810 average among people you know if you 1089 00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:08,190 don't select for people who are really 1090 00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:09,900 good right right right 1091 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:13,800 and then for longer time frames like an 1092 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:17,970 hour days weeks conscious precognition 1093 00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:20,130 seems to dominate so if I want 1094 00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:21,390 know what's going on a week from now I 1095 00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:24,800 better have some kind of skill that's 1096 00:54:28,820 --> 00:54:27,300 going into the state where I can get 1097 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:28,830 that information and then sketching it 1098 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:30,810 out or whatever I do you know to record 1099 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:32,970 it that's really conscious precognition 1100 00:54:36,590 --> 00:54:34,290 but you could do those experiments in 1101 00:54:39,110 --> 00:54:36,600 the lab too by literally asking someone 1102 00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,120 to do that and then not deciding until 1103 00:54:44,540 --> 00:54:42,240 after they've turned in their work what 1104 00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:44,550 the actual target is so no one on the 1105 00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,460 planet would know what the target is so 1106 00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:48,720 that it's not like they could get the 1107 00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:50,520 information from someone else so they do 1108 00:54:55,070 --> 00:54:52,500 their work and then you use a random 1109 00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:55,080 number generator to predict what the 1110 00:54:58,310 --> 00:54:56,700 target is going to be but you only do 1111 00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:58,320 that after they've turned in their work 1112 00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:01,440 so there's no cheating and even you as 1113 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,940 the experimenter can't give them some 1114 00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:05,040 kind of clues because you don't know 1115 00:55:12,110 --> 00:55:10,110 either I know that there are precogs 1116 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:12,120 walking this planet right now with 1117 00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:15,570 extreme talent and gifts for sure have 1118 00:55:23,950 --> 00:55:19,920 you met one and hold on-hold well you 1119 00:55:34,370 --> 00:55:31,600 and how valuable would that talent be 1120 00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,380 right well I can tell you almost 1121 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:37,440 literally how valuable it is people are 1122 00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:40,770 using Precog abilities right now to 1123 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:43,140 predict stock market changes with great 1124 00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:45,570 effect and there's a group that is 1125 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:48,900 paying people to do that and they make 1126 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:50,730 money according to how well they perform 1127 00:55:55,610 --> 00:55:54,570 so you know if you're at 60 percent 1128 00:55:57,290 --> 00:55:55,620 correct you're making a certain amount 1129 00:56:00,920 --> 00:55:57,300 of money if you're at 70 you're making 1130 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:00,930 more 80 more ninety-four etc and you can 1131 00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:02,130 find out about this if anyone's 1132 00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:03,660 interested check out the applied 1133 00:56:11,050 --> 00:56:05,820 precognition project which is a project 1134 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:11,060 of Marty Rosenblatt a great guy who is 1135 00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:12,930 pulling together a bunch of different 1136 00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:15,000 people teaching them how to do what he 1137 00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,670 calls associated remote viewing but I 1138 00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:18,960 call it a controlled precognition 1139 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:21,990 because that's really what it is where 1140 00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,890 you sit down and you're actually 1141 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:24,480 sketching out an image that you're going 1142 00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:26,130 to see but the image is associated with 1143 00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:28,440 stock market changes so we can get 1144 00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:30,390 enough people looking at a future image 1145 00:56:33,860 --> 00:56:32,280 and if enough people are sketching a 1146 00:56:35,420 --> 00:56:33,870 tree for instance 1147 00:56:36,890 --> 00:56:35,430 and he knows that a tree is associated 1148 00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:36,900 with an upward movement movement at the 1149 00:56:42,830 --> 00:56:38,550 stock market he can bet on that 1150 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:42,840 and he's done very well and created 1151 00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:45,450 returns for himself and others he shares 1152 00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:47,730 all the information with other people at 1153 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:49,710 rates far above what you would expect 1154 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:51,810 just on the market so it's pretty 1155 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:54,410 impressive yeah then you know we all go 1156 00:57:01,640 --> 00:56:57,210 naturally it's the modern society that 1157 00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:01,650 we have today - Minority Report yeah 1158 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:02,640 okay 1159 00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:06,570 and there's there's an example of you 1160 00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:10,830 better not be wrong in your Precog right 1161 00:57:16,060 --> 00:57:13,500 so pre-crime division so in that movie 1162 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:16,070 you know good old Tom Cruise 1163 00:57:21,260 --> 00:57:18,690 you know he's leading the pre-crime 1164 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:21,270 division and there's this great scene 1165 00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:23,730 where a philosophical moment where this 1166 00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:27,180 ball comes down the chute and it tells 1167 00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:28,980 them okay this is the Minority Report 1168 00:57:33,590 --> 00:57:31,680 this this shows us who is in 1169 00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:33,600 disagreement about which of the precogs 1170 00:57:37,220 --> 00:57:35,310 is in disagreement about something and 1171 00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:37,230 that indicates where there's some kind 1172 00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:38,940 of problem about a future event if I 1173 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:39,870 remember that correctly 1174 00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:42,090 that's right yeah okay and in that 1175 00:57:47,660 --> 00:57:44,520 moment he says look the future is going 1176 00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:47,670 to happen and all we are here to do is 1177 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:49,140 to prevent it which of course 1178 00:57:52,550 --> 00:57:50,850 paradoxical right if it features going 1179 00:57:54,290 --> 00:57:52,560 to happen what do you mean you're there 1180 00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:54,300 to prevent it how does that work but in 1181 00:58:00,890 --> 00:57:57,480 any case what they end up showing in the 1182 00:58:02,930 --> 00:58:00,900 movie is that the future is not written 1183 00:58:04,490 --> 00:58:02,940 in stone you can't go arrest someone 1184 00:58:06,050 --> 00:58:04,500 before they commit a crime and make the 1185 00:58:07,220 --> 00:58:06,060 assumption that they're going to commit 1186 00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:07,230 the crime it with a hundred percent 1187 00:58:11,570 --> 00:58:09,540 probability and I think that's a pretty 1188 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:11,580 responsible thing for them to have done 1189 00:58:19,010 --> 00:58:16,650 with that movie because regardless of 1190 00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:19,020 whatever the physics end up turning out 1191 00:58:22,250 --> 00:58:20,760 to be and of course there's the 1192 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:22,260 perpetual argument about whether there's 1193 00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:23,490 some kind of block universe where 1194 00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:25,320 everything's set in stone or whether 1195 00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:27,510 things are more probabilistic but 1196 00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:29,550 whatever the physics end up being we 1197 00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:31,980 know that psychologically it does not 1198 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:33,900 work for people to think that the future 1199 00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:35,970 is set in stone it does not help people 1200 00:58:41,420 --> 00:58:39,720 and when the more you polish your pre 1201 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:41,430 cognitive skills and I've been working 1202 00:58:47,350 --> 00:58:44,490 on this as a habit and sort of as a 1203 00:58:49,610 --> 00:58:47,360 practice now every day 1204 00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:49,620 and I've gotten better and better which 1205 00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:52,800 is nice but in any case the more you 1206 00:58:56,810 --> 00:58:54,660 practice your precognitive skills the 1207 00:59:00,920 --> 00:58:56,820 more you recognize that you better have 1208 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:00,930 what I call a time worldview so I've 1209 00:59:05,390 --> 00:59:02,130 created something called the positive 1210 00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:05,400 Precog time worldview so in the book 1211 00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:07,470 premonition code we call prompt positive 1212 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:11,160 precogs people who are using their 1213 00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:12,690 precognition to help the world are 1214 00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:15,720 trying to do that and a time worldview 1215 00:59:21,290 --> 00:59:18,630 is how you view time and it really 1216 00:59:23,210 --> 00:59:21,300 impacts your psychological health how 1217 00:59:24,980 --> 00:59:23,220 you view time and so some of the 1218 00:59:27,590 --> 00:59:24,990 components of the positive Precog time 1219 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:27,600 worldview are not believing that the 1220 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:29,970 future is set in stone and not believing 1221 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:31,050 that you're always a hundred percent 1222 00:59:36,340 --> 00:59:34,010 correct about whatever you perceive 1223 00:59:39,590 --> 00:59:36,350 those two things are really important 1224 00:59:42,380 --> 00:59:39,600 psychologically how easy is it for you 1225 00:59:45,170 --> 00:59:42,390 I've got 15 seconds to answer it ask 1226 00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:45,180 this question how easy is it for you to 1227 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:48,720 go into the precogs state well it's 1228 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:50,850 getting easier and easier just with 1229 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:52,530 practice and I think that's true for 1230 00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:54,570 anyone and we built out our website to 1231 00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:56,040 help support people in that practice and 1232 00:59:59,540 --> 00:59:58,200 I can talk with you about that a little 1233 01:00:01,100 --> 00:59:59,550 more at length if you'd like yeah we'll 1234 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:01,110 do that when we come back but I'm 1235 01:00:09,290 --> 01:00:03,050 setting you up okay 1236 01:00:10,970 --> 01:00:09,300 so you should have known that okay we're 1237 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:10,980 gonna we're gonna take we're gonna take 1238 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:12,690 a break here for about three and a half 1239 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:15,330 minutes for commercial I want you to 1240 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:18,330 think about the question that I am going 1241 01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,690 to ask you when we come back and that 1242 01:00:28,550 --> 01:00:23,520 question I'm just gonna throw a bone 1243 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:28,560 that question is going to be about me so 1244 01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:30,930 you think about that Julia this is fade 1245 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:36,630 to black you need to think about the 1246 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:38,850 question that I am going to ask that's 1247 01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:41,250 all it's very simple I'm gonna 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01:05:39,790 join in on the conversation right over 1352 01:05:41,850 --> 01:05:41,530 there few thousand tweets will happen 1353 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:41,860 tonight 1354 01:05:48,210 --> 01:05:45,730 hashtag f2b is the sandbox our guest 1355 01:05:50,850 --> 01:05:48,220 tonight Julia Moss bridge PhD we're 1356 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:50,860 talking about her new book the 1357 01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:54,810 premonition code and now the Precog 1358 01:06:01,050 --> 01:05:58,000 Julia was not leaked with me talking to 1359 01:06:05,010 --> 01:06:01,060 you during the break but I did slip I 1360 01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:05,020 wanted to bring up your co-author is a 1361 01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:10,630 theresa chong tell us about Teresa yeah 1362 01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:17,230 a little bit yes Teresa is this pretty 1363 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:20,230 amazing woman who mostly has has spent 1364 01:06:27,330 --> 01:06:23,050 decades gathering anecdotal reports of 1365 01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:27,340 precognition life after death contact 1366 01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:30,310 with people who are in other locations 1367 01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,350 so telepathic stories things like this 1368 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:34,720 anything that's unusual she records the 1369 01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:36,250 stories and she writes books about it 1370 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:39,280 but she got we we got together on a 1371 01:06:44,670 --> 01:06:41,170 project a couple years ago and she's 1372 01:06:46,830 --> 01:06:44,680 heard about my work at the Institute of 1373 01:06:48,210 --> 01:06:46,840 noetic sciences and just the work at the 1374 01:06:51,690 --> 01:06:48,220 Institute of noetic sciences in general 1375 01:06:53,490 --> 01:06:51,700 and she was wanting the folks in the UK 1376 01:06:57,390 --> 01:06:53,500 to hear about that work because most of 1377 01:07:00,090 --> 01:06:57,400 the belief in the UK has been similar to 1378 01:07:01,890 --> 01:07:00,100 the u.s. where it's the opinion is this 1379 01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:01,900 is just anecdotal stuff that happens to 1380 01:07:05,340 --> 01:07:03,369 people and there's no science behind it 1381 01:07:07,050 --> 01:07:05,350 and that's part of why she approached me 1382 01:07:09,090 --> 01:07:07,060 to do this book - she just wants the 1383 01:07:10,859 --> 01:07:09,100 world to know not only there's science 1384 01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:10,869 there's practice there's you know 1385 01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,310 there's online resources to help you and 1386 01:07:18,510 --> 01:07:16,720 this is a this is a way of life and 1387 01:07:22,340 --> 01:07:18,520 actually a pretty cool community of 1388 01:07:26,790 --> 01:07:22,350 people now okay now back to the Precog 1389 01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:26,800 yeah okay nothing came to you 1390 01:07:33,570 --> 01:07:29,609 nothing nothing popped in yeah you know 1391 01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,580 just so you know this is I mean most of 1392 01:07:37,980 --> 01:07:35,920 my skill is as a scientist and I'm 1393 01:07:40,020 --> 01:07:37,990 developing my skill as a Precog so I 1394 01:07:42,180 --> 01:07:40,030 would not call myself the most advanced 1395 01:07:44,010 --> 01:07:42,190 Precog you'll ever meet 1396 01:07:44,339 --> 01:07:44,020 having said that what popped into my 1397 01:07:47,339 --> 01:07:44,349 head 1398 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:47,349 bear really okay 1399 01:07:53,579 --> 01:07:49,450 now I'm wondering if there's a 1400 01:07:55,469 --> 01:07:53,589 connection because this is I'm gonna 1401 01:08:00,979 --> 01:07:55,479 hold this up to the camera that is the 1402 01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:00,989 answer the answer is Great Lakes now 1403 01:08:08,489 --> 01:08:04,089 okay I was born at Great Lakes Naval 1404 01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:08,499 Station in Waukegan no kidding yeah yeah 1405 01:08:13,049 --> 01:08:11,710 yeah okay so that so I would say so 1406 01:08:15,150 --> 01:08:13,059 there's I'm not gonna tell the audience 1407 01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:15,160 what the connection is but I was just 1408 01:08:20,339 --> 01:08:17,170 wondering if you know the vibe of the 1409 01:08:22,140 --> 01:08:20,349 universe would somehow connect that for 1410 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:22,150 you and how great it would have been so 1411 01:08:27,450 --> 01:08:25,690 that you know it would have been so if 1412 01:08:28,740 --> 01:08:27,460 we want to stretch this I mean so if I 1413 01:08:31,129 --> 01:08:28,750 were scoring this as an independent 1414 01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:31,139 judge I might say this is basically 1415 01:08:36,539 --> 01:08:34,239 bogus but nonetheless what what I'll 1416 01:08:38,729 --> 01:08:36,549 just tell you is that I grew up in 1417 01:08:41,820 --> 01:08:38,739 Libertyville Illinois very close to the 1418 01:08:43,769 --> 01:08:41,830 Great Lakes Naval Station and when my 1419 01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,779 parents would sometimes go camping we 1420 01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:45,759 would go up around there and I was 1421 01:08:51,089 --> 01:08:49,330 always scared of bears there's no bears 1422 01:08:53,010 --> 01:08:51,099 around there you know what's so funny 1423 01:08:57,539 --> 01:08:53,020 you know because that's my neighborhood 1424 01:09:00,720 --> 01:08:57,549 right Libertyville Mundelein yeah you 1425 01:09:02,849 --> 01:09:00,730 know of course Waukegan Great Lakes 1426 01:09:06,829 --> 01:09:02,859 Naval Station that whole part of and for 1427 01:09:10,169 --> 01:09:06,839 you to say Libertyville you know look 1428 01:09:12,599 --> 01:09:10,179 just that's that's really trippy pay 1429 01:09:14,910 --> 01:09:12,609 look for the audience they don't get it 1430 01:09:17,220 --> 01:09:14,920 but when you bring up these leave we're 1431 01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:17,230 talking about little tiny towns here 1432 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:22,960 right Libertyville Mundelein okay now 1433 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:27,250 but let's talk about you know so Theresa 1434 01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:29,650 and you when we're dealing with a 1435 01:09:35,459 --> 01:09:33,520 premonition and the future then and 1436 01:09:38,970 --> 01:09:35,469 you've said paradox now three or four 1437 01:09:42,809 --> 01:09:38,980 times yeah and if all of that and I 1438 01:09:47,579 --> 01:09:42,819 believe it to be reality but then free 1439 01:09:49,859 --> 01:09:47,589 will is taken right it's like taken 1440 01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:49,869 right off of the the table at that point 1441 01:09:54,930 --> 01:09:52,960 and now we've got this conundrum in the 1442 01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:54,940 community wait a minute freewill is you 1443 01:09:59,050 --> 01:09:56,150 know well 1444 01:10:01,390 --> 01:09:59,060 but if the future is real and 1445 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:01,400 premonition and precognition is a 1446 01:10:06,910 --> 01:10:06,050 reality then freewill is just an 1447 01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:06,920 illusion 1448 01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:10,159 your it's going to just take you to 1449 01:10:15,330 --> 01:10:12,260 where you were going to be anyway you 1450 01:10:17,890 --> 01:10:15,340 think you are making decisions but 1451 01:10:19,810 --> 01:10:17,900 precognition and premonitions if you 1452 01:10:22,930 --> 01:10:19,820 have a premonition about your own future 1453 01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:22,940 in a dream right and you alter your life 1454 01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:25,130 whether there's no free will coming into 1455 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:29,840 play here right am i I mean yeah I mean 1456 01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:32,330 so there's two kind of again there's 1457 01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:34,370 kind of two answers there's sort of the 1458 01:10:39,729 --> 01:10:36,409 mainstream answer and then there's the 1459 01:10:42,490 --> 01:10:39,739 trippy answer so the mainstream answer 1460 01:10:45,189 --> 01:10:42,500 is look what if what if precognition is 1461 01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:45,199 about looking at probabilities so you 1462 01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:48,620 have a dream about a car accidents and 1463 01:10:54,910 --> 01:10:51,650 that's a yellow car and you're on the 1464 01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:54,920 highway and you it's a horrible accident 1465 01:10:58,180 --> 01:10:56,449 and you wake up and you're in a cold 1466 01:10:59,530 --> 01:10:58,190 sweat and you're scared and then the 1467 01:11:01,930 --> 01:10:59,540 next day you're on the highway you see a 1468 01:11:05,140 --> 01:11:01,940 yellow car and you avoid it and it hits 1469 01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:05,150 someone else and so you go wow you know 1470 01:11:11,470 --> 01:11:07,940 I actually changed what was going to 1471 01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:11,480 happen so it's possible the dream was 1472 01:11:17,649 --> 01:11:15,920 literally like a warning tapping into a 1473 01:11:18,910 --> 01:11:17,659 future event that actually wasn't going 1474 01:11:21,729 --> 01:11:18,920 to happen now the probability was that 1475 01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:21,739 someone was gonna bump into this car and 1476 01:11:26,110 --> 01:11:24,440 your mind turned it into you to help you 1477 01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:26,120 get into a place where it wasn't you 1478 01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,080 right right and so if you think of the 1479 01:11:34,660 --> 01:11:32,239 world as probabilities you're actually 1480 01:11:37,060 --> 01:11:34,670 making a choice and you can have this 1481 01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:37,070 freewill experience of I made this 1482 01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:38,840 choice to do this because I shift I 1483 01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:40,489 based on the probabilities I shifted 1484 01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:43,040 where I was relative to the event right 1485 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:45,380 so the event happened so that was 1486 01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:47,090 destined or whatever people want to call 1487 01:11:51,250 --> 01:11:49,730 it but my position relative to the event 1488 01:11:52,810 --> 01:11:51,260 was different so that's one way to think 1489 01:11:55,540 --> 01:11:52,820 about it that's kind of a standard way 1490 01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:55,550 to sort of keep freewill in the 1491 01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:57,679 conversation so another way to think 1492 01:12:02,560 --> 01:11:59,060 about it is if you don't think about 1493 01:12:04,959 --> 01:12:02,570 time is necessarily linear free will 1494 01:12:08,050 --> 01:12:04,969 doesn't have to be linear either and so 1495 01:12:09,729 --> 01:12:08,060 you could say I have I have freewill 1496 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:09,739 over that like if you look at the course 1497 01:12:14,710 --> 01:12:10,010 of your 1498 01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:14,720 life is a blob in time I have free will 1499 01:12:20,260 --> 01:12:17,330 over the whole course of my life at some 1500 01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:20,270 point I decided this is how it's gonna 1501 01:12:25,210 --> 01:12:21,890 go that doesn't mean in this particular 1502 01:12:27,700 --> 01:12:25,220 moment I can change anything but the 1503 01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:27,710 entire decision of how each event will 1504 01:12:34,270 --> 01:12:30,560 go is at some point maybe in the past 1505 01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:34,280 maybe in the future decided by me or at 1506 01:12:39,010 --> 01:12:36,590 least I have some influence on it and so 1507 01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:39,020 that's a more trippy way of thinking 1508 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:41,210 about this and I don't know what's true 1509 01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:47,570 well if if you have some precognition or 1510 01:12:56,140 --> 01:12:53,120 premonition and that is you are going to 1511 01:13:01,660 --> 01:12:56,150 be a doctor you see yourself as being a 1512 01:13:07,210 --> 01:13:01,670 doctor but today you are a bacchanal 1513 01:13:11,580 --> 01:13:07,220 artist you are not college bound and 1514 01:13:14,170 --> 01:13:11,590 you're not looking at college right but 1515 01:13:16,030 --> 01:13:14,180 you know 30 years from now for some 1516 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:16,040 reason whatever it is you know now 1517 01:13:24,100 --> 01:13:21,290 you're a doctor that you you know what I 1518 01:13:29,530 --> 01:13:24,110 mean where's free will and that in in 1519 01:13:32,050 --> 01:13:29,540 you you see the vision of and you can't 1520 01:13:35,050 --> 01:13:32,060 change it right you can't no matter what 1521 01:13:37,570 --> 01:13:35,060 you want to do to change it ultimately 1522 01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:37,580 you are going to be a doctor and any 1523 01:13:43,060 --> 01:13:40,550 decision that you make isn't going to 1524 01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:43,070 alter that path right I guess I'm saying 1525 01:13:47,860 --> 01:13:45,200 so first of all a bacchanal artist is a 1526 01:13:56,110 --> 01:13:47,870 really cool career option I just want 1527 01:13:57,790 --> 01:13:56,120 their second career option second yes 1528 01:14:00,910 --> 01:13:57,800 you may not have free so if you think of 1529 01:14:02,590 --> 01:14:00,920 a time line and this is time zero is 1530 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:02,600 this current moment let's say at time 1531 01:14:07,690 --> 01:14:04,570 zero you may not have any free will 1532 01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:07,700 about that future doctor job that you'll 1533 01:14:13,780 --> 01:14:10,400 have but it's possible that at time you 1534 01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:13,790 know minus ten or at time plus two 1535 01:14:19,090 --> 01:14:16,400 thousand you have free will about it in 1536 01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:19,100 other words it if you keep thinking 1537 01:14:23,260 --> 01:14:21,050 about time is linear and it marches 1538 01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:23,270 forward and only one thing that I decide 1539 01:14:26,410 --> 01:14:23,840 now 1540 01:14:28,420 --> 01:14:26,420 it's the thing in the future then that 1541 01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:28,430 impacts how you feel about free will and 1542 01:14:33,610 --> 01:14:31,760 when free will has to happen for it to 1543 01:14:35,530 --> 01:14:33,620 be free will but if you think about time 1544 01:14:37,180 --> 01:14:35,540 is nonlinear and you kind of look up and 1545 01:14:40,060 --> 01:14:37,190 you're late so you float up in the sky 1546 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:40,070 and you look down on time like a map or 1547 01:14:44,860 --> 01:14:43,010 something that's spacial imagine having 1548 01:14:48,010 --> 01:14:44,870 free will from the position of a bird 1549 01:14:49,690 --> 01:14:48,020 looking down at a map and saying where 1550 01:14:52,270 --> 01:14:49,700 am I gonna land next where am I gonna 1551 01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:52,280 let next and not having to be linear 1552 01:14:56,440 --> 01:14:54,710 that's a different kind of freewill but 1553 01:14:57,580 --> 01:14:56,450 it's still freewill just not operating 1554 01:14:59,710 --> 01:14:57,590 in linear time and that's what I'm 1555 01:15:01,930 --> 01:14:59,720 trying to say and what's the difference 1556 01:15:05,890 --> 01:15:01,940 between a premonition and just a cool 1557 01:15:08,620 --> 01:15:05,900 dream yeah yeah 1558 01:15:11,380 --> 01:15:08,630 so not all premonitions or precognition 1559 01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:11,390 czar in dreams so there's a couple types 1560 01:15:14,530 --> 01:15:13,040 right so most of them are when people 1561 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:14,540 when you start talking about the stuff 1562 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:15,770 they say oh I had this dream that my 1563 01:15:18,340 --> 01:15:16,970 grandmother died and that she died the 1564 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:18,350 next day and she wasn't even sick and it 1565 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:20,570 was really freaky and that's the one of 1566 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:22,010 the most common experiences of 1567 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:27,010 precognition but it has to be a 1568 01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,210 precognition to be considered a genuine 1569 01:15:33,460 --> 01:15:31,040 precognition if it's spontaneous in your 1570 01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,470 life and not in the lab you have to have 1571 01:15:37,570 --> 01:15:35,840 a couple characteristics and even then 1572 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:37,580 you're not 100% sure really until you're 1573 01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:39,290 in the lab right but you have to have a 1574 01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:41,090 couple of characteristics and to at 1575 01:15:45,220 --> 01:15:43,340 least be considered a genuine 1576 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:45,230 precognition and one is you have to have 1577 01:15:49,780 --> 01:15:47,930 enough details that match between your 1578 01:15:53,170 --> 01:15:49,790 experience whether it's a dream or a 1579 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:53,180 waking vision or intuition your 1580 01:15:57,610 --> 01:15:55,850 experience and the event so if you just 1581 01:15:59,800 --> 01:15:57,620 dream that someone comes and knocks on 1582 01:16:01,600 --> 01:15:59,810 your door and the next day comes and 1583 01:16:03,370 --> 01:16:01,610 knocks on your door that's just not 1584 01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:03,380 enough correspondences to say that was 1585 01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:05,090 precognitive people come and knock on 1586 01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:10,130 your door perhaps every day so okay 1587 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:11,510 let's say there's two some of you dream 1588 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:12,650 that someone comes and knocks on your 1589 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:13,970 door and they ask you if to borrow some 1590 01:16:17,190 --> 01:16:15,650 cheese and then if the next day that 1591 01:16:19,900 --> 01:16:17,200 happens that's more convincing 1592 01:16:21,730 --> 01:16:19,910 especially if it's not like every 1593 01:16:23,620 --> 01:16:21,740 Thursday your neighbor comes in s to 1594 01:16:24,970 --> 01:16:23,630 borrow some cheese right so it also has 1595 01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:24,980 to be something that you can't predict 1596 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:28,760 based on past history so you start to 1597 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:33,290 build up sort of like a series of rules 1598 01:16:36,700 --> 01:16:34,850 by which you have to judge the 1599 01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:36,710 precognitive experience to see was it 1600 01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:37,820 really precognitive or 1601 01:16:40,930 --> 01:16:39,290 my subconscious just using the 1602 01:16:44,910 --> 01:16:40,940 information that I normally have in my 1603 01:16:47,140 --> 01:16:44,920 memory and assembling something and and 1604 01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:47,150 once you start to get a hang of that you 1605 01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:49,040 start to actually start to look at the 1606 01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:50,719 pre cognitive experiences differently 1607 01:16:53,850 --> 01:16:52,400 and recognize that they have a different 1608 01:16:57,250 --> 01:16:53,860 quality to them they tend to be very 1609 01:16:58,810 --> 01:16:57,260 very vivid very realistic for 1610 01:17:00,580 --> 01:16:58,820 precognitive dreams or sometimes 1611 01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:00,590 precognitive compulsions where you feel 1612 01:17:05,169 --> 01:17:02,800 like you have to take a certain action 1613 01:17:06,580 --> 01:17:05,179 and you feel like you better do it and 1614 01:17:08,050 --> 01:17:06,590 you don't really know why and sort of 1615 01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:08,060 your intuition is just yelling at you to 1616 01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:09,409 do something and then you do it then you 1617 01:17:14,530 --> 01:17:11,570 find out whoa I either did something 1618 01:17:16,060 --> 01:17:14,540 really positive or I you know avoided a 1619 01:17:17,410 --> 01:17:16,070 really bad situation this happens a lot 1620 01:17:23,410 --> 01:17:17,420 to people in the military who have 1621 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:23,420 survived so once you have that 1622 01:17:27,220 --> 01:17:25,130 experience you start to notice it more 1623 01:17:29,500 --> 01:17:27,230 and more and notice the sort of 1624 01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:29,510 characteristic of just knowing rather 1625 01:17:33,879 --> 01:17:31,489 than thinking you know or obsessing over 1626 01:17:36,669 --> 01:17:33,889 something which is very different yeah 1627 01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:36,679 well if I if I sit and think if anybody 1628 01:17:40,419 --> 01:17:39,170 just had a thought pop in their head you 1629 01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:40,429 know that tomorrow somebody's gonna 1630 01:17:43,589 --> 01:17:41,840 knock and the door and asked me for 1631 01:17:46,260 --> 01:17:43,599 cheese and that actually comes to pass 1632 01:17:51,060 --> 01:17:46,270 somebody's gonna have a heart attack 1633 01:17:54,669 --> 01:17:51,070 that's a pretty big deal and and and 1634 01:17:58,270 --> 01:17:54,679 inputs what's really strange is as crazy 1635 01:17:59,709 --> 01:17:58,280 of a thought that that may be and it is 1636 01:18:03,640 --> 01:17:59,719 somebody would have it have a heart 1637 01:18:07,390 --> 01:18:03,650 attack but yet every single day somebody 1638 01:18:10,330 --> 01:18:07,400 somewhere thinks of man I haven't talked 1639 01:18:14,819 --> 01:18:10,340 to Bob in 10 years I wonder how Bob is 1640 01:18:18,609 --> 01:18:14,829 doing five minutes later the phone rings 1641 01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:18,619 right well that happens all the time and 1642 01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:21,679 that hasn't cause heart attacks you know 1643 01:18:25,839 --> 01:18:24,530 what I mean and one correspondent the 1644 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:25,849 thing is there's something about having 1645 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:28,010 more than one correspondence that really 1646 01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:30,770 freaks us out like I had this one 1647 01:18:34,780 --> 01:18:33,290 precognitive dream about about an 1648 01:18:36,700 --> 01:18:34,790 apartment that I ended up moving into 1649 01:18:38,919 --> 01:18:36,710 and there were five correspondences 1650 01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:38,929 between my dream and the circumstances 1651 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:41,090 around the apartment and that really I 1652 01:18:44,589 --> 01:18:43,010 mean I was already having precognitive 1653 01:18:46,180 --> 01:18:44,599 experiences all the time but that really 1654 01:18:49,260 --> 01:18:46,190 just just I said I don't know how to 1655 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:49,270 explain this I mean that was as intense 1656 01:18:51,730 --> 01:18:51,290 statistically intense as the guy in 1657 01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:51,740 Virginia 1658 01:18:55,780 --> 01:18:54,320 who dreams about five numbers and enters 1659 01:18:57,670 --> 01:18:55,790 the lottery four times the next day and 1660 01:19:03,940 --> 01:18:57,680 wins you know that's statistically 1661 01:19:05,740 --> 01:19:03,950 bizarre yeah and and for this is this is 1662 01:19:10,210 --> 01:19:05,750 what fascinates me so much about this 1663 01:19:11,860 --> 01:19:10,220 there are people out there and I 1664 01:19:13,210 --> 01:19:11,870 discussed this nearly every day on the 1665 01:19:15,550 --> 01:19:13,220 show there are people out there that 1666 01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:15,560 don't think that there's anything else 1667 01:19:20,110 --> 01:19:18,050 to life but getting up in the morning 1668 01:19:22,450 --> 01:19:20,120 going to work coming home watching TV 1669 01:19:25,390 --> 01:19:22,460 having dinner going to bed rinse and 1670 01:19:28,210 --> 01:19:25,400 repeat that there is no life after death 1671 01:19:30,700 --> 01:19:28,220 there is no et's there are no right 1672 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:30,710 we're not we're completely alone in the 1673 01:19:35,740 --> 01:19:33,290 universe there is nothing else to life 1674 01:19:38,710 --> 01:19:35,750 when you die you turn into dust and 1675 01:19:41,350 --> 01:19:38,720 that's it but yet they will accept the 1676 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:41,360 fact that Bob who they haven't called or 1677 01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:43,970 talked to with ten years and they think 1678 01:19:48,610 --> 01:19:45,710 about him any calls or they have a deja 1679 01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:48,620 vu they don't think that it's anything 1680 01:19:53,980 --> 01:19:50,570 special and you can't convince them 1681 01:20:01,690 --> 01:19:53,990 otherwise I mean some people are just 1682 01:20:04,210 --> 01:20:01,700 destined to be boring but that's always 1683 01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:04,220 my answer how boring I can't imagine 1684 01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:07,760 living life that way how boring could it 1685 01:20:12,910 --> 01:20:09,890 be now now 1686 01:20:16,810 --> 01:20:12,920 again I want to get back to some of your 1687 01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:16,820 comments one of those is the paradox 1688 01:20:22,210 --> 01:20:19,250 situation when we're dealing with not 1689 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:22,220 only Precog but certainly time travel 1690 01:20:26,460 --> 01:20:23,810 after the break when we come back we'll 1691 01:20:30,670 --> 01:20:26,470 start to talk about time travel but 1692 01:20:33,340 --> 01:20:30,680 paradoxes enter into all of this and and 1693 01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:33,350 it allows the scientific community out 1694 01:20:42,190 --> 01:20:35,450 there to go well see that's why it's not 1695 01:20:45,250 --> 01:20:42,200 real that's right and well so what's 1696 01:20:46,810 --> 01:20:45,260 your response to a you know a colleague 1697 01:20:49,710 --> 01:20:46,820 of yours that would say well 1698 01:20:51,670 --> 01:20:49,720 paradoxes make all of this impossible 1699 01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:51,680 well I would point them to other 1700 01:20:55,450 --> 01:20:54,050 colleagues who say no you just have to 1701 01:20:58,750 --> 01:20:55,460 deal with the paradox and it's not 1702 01:21:00,190 --> 01:20:58,760 actually a paradox so so there's a bunch 1703 01:21:01,540 --> 01:21:00,200 of physicists who are thinking about 1704 01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:01,550 these kind of problems because I'm 1705 01:21:05,540 --> 01:21:03,710 thinking about causal loops and time is 1706 01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:05,550 a hot topic 1707 01:21:09,649 --> 01:21:08,250 and said that caused a loop in time is 1708 01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,659 like a push-me pull-you sort of 1709 01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:12,000 situation where the past is influencing 1710 01:21:15,229 --> 01:21:13,650 the present and the future is 1711 01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:15,239 influencing the past and so you have 1712 01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:18,690 this nice little circle and so there's 1713 01:21:23,330 --> 01:21:21,090 this grandfather paradox so what if I 1714 01:21:24,919 --> 01:21:23,340 could go back in time then and and 1715 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:24,929 basically make it so my grandfather was 1716 01:21:28,430 --> 01:21:26,610 never born so I was never born so that I 1717 01:21:30,490 --> 01:21:28,440 couldn't go back in time to go make it 1718 01:21:32,540 --> 01:21:30,500 so my grandfather was never born and 1719 01:21:34,700 --> 01:21:32,550 there's some really simple ways to 1720 01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:34,710 resolve that but for a long time 1721 01:21:38,899 --> 01:21:36,780 scientists didn't want to try to resolve 1722 01:21:40,580 --> 01:21:38,909 it because they wanted it to be that 1723 01:21:43,609 --> 01:21:40,590 there couldn't be time travel or they 1724 01:21:46,669 --> 01:21:43,619 couldn't be retrocausality because of 1725 01:21:48,290 --> 01:21:46,679 these causal loops just were thought to 1726 01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:48,300 be immediately paradoxical but that's 1727 01:21:54,350 --> 01:21:50,040 actually changing so that's exciting 1728 01:21:59,419 --> 01:21:54,360 well if they've okay so explain and to 1729 01:22:02,959 --> 01:21:59,429 me if for those out there where the 1730 01:22:08,089 --> 01:22:02,969 future is not predetermined so there's 1731 01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:08,099 no way to be precognitive there's no way 1732 01:22:15,379 --> 01:22:11,280 to have premonitions because the future 1733 01:22:18,350 --> 01:22:15,389 hasn't happened yet now I understand the 1734 01:22:21,379 --> 01:22:18,360 past has happened right the past right 1735 01:22:23,780 --> 01:22:21,389 now we're in the now now two seconds ago 1736 01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:23,790 that's there so that's an obvious thing 1737 01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:26,730 we don't know about the future questions 1738 01:22:32,930 --> 01:22:29,489 or where this show is leading into the 1739 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:32,940 future so I understand the argument but 1740 01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:37,290 yet premonitions and Precog is real and 1741 01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,260 we've all shared in that right so that 1742 01:22:45,890 --> 01:22:42,960 that's it's a weird situation that we 1743 01:22:49,970 --> 01:22:45,900 find ourselves in and indeed that may be 1744 01:22:51,379 --> 01:22:49,980 a paradox right there right and I think 1745 01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,389 that there has to be sort of a 1746 01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:54,239 difference between the way things appear 1747 01:22:58,819 --> 01:22:57,090 to us on a day-to-day basis which is 1748 01:23:00,140 --> 01:22:58,829 this yeah the the past is what just 1749 01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:00,150 happened the future is the thing that we 1750 01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:04,530 don't know that story and what the 1751 01:23:09,379 --> 01:23:06,900 actual sort of story of the universe is 1752 01:23:11,540 --> 01:23:09,389 so we have to separate our daily 1753 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:11,550 experience of and almost what we've been 1754 01:23:15,589 --> 01:23:13,650 taught about time from what's actually 1755 01:23:18,890 --> 01:23:15,599 happening so there's almost no evidence 1756 01:23:19,970 --> 01:23:18,900 in physics that there's some kind of 1757 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:19,980 proof 1758 01:23:24,620 --> 01:23:23,610 now right right right there's there's a 1759 01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:24,630 lot of evidence that there is no 1760 01:23:30,050 --> 01:23:28,260 privileged present moment and so already 1761 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:30,060 we have a little disconnect and I'll 1762 01:23:33,740 --> 01:23:32,010 just say little generously it's a huge 1763 01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:33,750 disconnect between human experience 1764 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:37,679 which is only of the now and physics 1765 01:23:43,939 --> 01:23:41,510 which is not of the now at all and so 1766 01:23:45,970 --> 01:23:43,949 based on that you can already see that 1767 01:23:48,379 --> 01:23:45,980 there needs to be different views of 1768 01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,389 what's going on in time and then from 1769 01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:50,880 that what's going on in causality and so 1770 01:23:59,899 --> 01:23:57,480 these these paradoxes really seem to 1771 01:24:03,200 --> 01:23:59,909 come from trying to cross between these 1772 01:24:06,379 --> 01:24:03,210 two views trying to apply our 1773 01:24:09,020 --> 01:24:06,389 experiential sort of daily almost folk 1774 01:24:11,180 --> 01:24:09,030 wisdom about how time works based on our 1775 01:24:13,010 --> 01:24:11,190 perception and to assume that that's a 1776 01:24:14,959 --> 01:24:13,020 correct understanding of how the 1777 01:24:20,450 --> 01:24:14,969 universe is working trying to apply that 1778 01:24:21,860 --> 01:24:20,460 to sort of the natural world as if as if 1779 01:24:24,110 --> 01:24:21,870 the universe is really is working that 1780 01:24:26,660 --> 01:24:24,120 way and therefore it's problematic to do 1781 01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:26,670 anything differently so I I think it's 1782 01:24:28,910 --> 01:24:27,690 really important to make that 1783 01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:28,920 distinction I'm not sure I answered your 1784 01:24:34,370 --> 01:24:30,900 question but no some reason that's what 1785 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:34,380 came out of my mouth and see and that's 1786 01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:37,530 what's interesting about this because we 1787 01:24:45,860 --> 01:24:41,850 have the possibility of very strong one 1788 01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:45,870 of an alternative parallel world and 1789 01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:48,449 time line that's running in an infinite 1790 01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:51,360 amount to our left and right of us with 1791 01:24:56,419 --> 01:24:54,300 very very slight variations of each one 1792 01:24:59,060 --> 01:24:56,429 and that way as we look into the future 1793 01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:59,070 we could be looking at an alternative 1794 01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:01,500 timeline and that is part of the 1795 01:25:06,260 --> 01:25:03,510 premonition or part of the Precog and 1796 01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:06,270 therefore nothing is predetermined 1797 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:08,310 because we're looking at alternative 1798 01:25:13,310 --> 01:25:11,010 versions of ourself that's like the 1799 01:25:15,459 --> 01:25:13,320 multi-universe sort of response to the 1800 01:25:18,890 --> 01:25:15,469 paradox but there's other responses to 1801 01:25:23,660 --> 01:25:18,900 such as oh so another response is sort 1802 01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:23,670 of the the we have like signposts that 1803 01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:25,860 are important events and those important 1804 01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:30,000 events have to happen but how you get 1805 01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:33,090 from one event one signpost to the other 1806 01:25:38,089 --> 01:25:36,480 is loosey-goosey so the ball has to roll 1807 01:25:39,589 --> 01:25:38,099 down the hill but it can go through this 1808 01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:39,599 path or it could go through that path 1809 01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:41,730 and that way you could kind of keep 1810 01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,159 freewill and you can keep some lack of 1811 01:25:50,089 --> 01:25:46,560 complete determinism although certain 1812 01:25:52,220 --> 01:25:50,099 key events are determined so it's like I 1813 01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:52,230 have it both ways kind of scenario and 1814 01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:55,860 then and what if you you manage to go 1815 01:26:01,850 --> 01:25:59,340 off of that path completely to prevent 1816 01:26:04,419 --> 01:26:01,860 the this major signpost in the future 1817 01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:04,429 what happens is the universe implode 1818 01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:07,050 well I think in that model that doesn't 1819 01:26:09,740 --> 01:26:07,530 happen 1820 01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:09,750 so those signposts are those signposts 1821 01:26:12,919 --> 01:26:11,250 and they're predetermined and what's not 1822 01:26:15,530 --> 01:26:12,929 predetermined is the path between them 1823 01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:15,540 so if you go off the path completely 1824 01:26:22,189 --> 01:26:16,800 what that would mean is that model is 1825 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:22,199 wrong okay okay so if we went backwards 1826 01:26:29,899 --> 01:26:26,010 now let's go and look at the I've got 1827 01:26:31,820 --> 01:26:29,909 four minutes so we'll get yeah if we go 1828 01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:31,830 backwards and to go and visit the 1829 01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:34,050 grandfather paradox which has been done 1830 01:26:41,330 --> 01:26:39,449 a zillion times but you go and you're on 1831 01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:41,340 the street corner you got the gun out 1832 01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:43,199 you're ready to shoot your grandfather 1833 01:26:49,970 --> 01:26:47,760 in the head but the gun jams right he 1834 01:26:52,370 --> 01:26:49,980 still makes it across this street to the 1835 01:26:54,109 --> 01:26:52,380 theater to meet your grandmother and 1836 01:26:57,140 --> 01:26:54,119 they have their first date and 1837 01:26:58,640 --> 01:26:57,150 everything happens right so the gun jams 1838 01:27:01,070 --> 01:26:58,650 now you try to push him in front of the 1839 01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:01,080 bus but you twist your ankle so that 1840 01:27:06,290 --> 01:27:03,210 doesn't happen right something will 1841 01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,300 always prevent the paradox from 1842 01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:08,880 happening right that's one model that's 1843 01:27:15,260 --> 01:27:11,520 sort of the Doctor Who model and the 1844 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:15,270 Back to the Future model and that's yeah 1845 01:27:19,129 --> 01:27:17,010 that's sort of the model that's easy to 1846 01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:19,139 sort of easy to think about is that 1847 01:27:22,580 --> 01:27:20,400 something will always prevent the 1848 01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:22,590 paradox and that's kind of this model 1849 01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:24,030 that there's many ways something had to 1850 01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:26,159 happen but that event has to happen the 1851 01:27:29,870 --> 01:27:28,110 problem of course with that model is how 1852 01:27:31,550 --> 01:27:29,880 do you choose these signpost events why 1853 01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:31,560 is one event more important than another 1854 01:27:37,580 --> 01:27:34,050 event how do you choose what matters in 1855 01:27:40,580 --> 01:27:37,590 that system and that's confusing and the 1856 01:27:44,540 --> 01:27:40,590 other the other answer to this would be 1857 01:27:46,110 --> 01:27:44,550 you do kill your grandfather in that 1858 01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:46,120 timeline right 1859 01:27:53,550 --> 01:27:50,800 would automatically update and has 1860 01:27:56,730 --> 01:27:53,560 nothing to do with the uu now and you 1861 01:27:59,790 --> 01:27:56,740 wouldn't be able to see yourself in in 1862 01:28:01,800 --> 01:27:59,800 the past if you did if you're not doing 1863 01:28:04,830 --> 01:28:01,810 physical time-travel again if you're 1864 01:28:07,980 --> 01:28:04,840 doing sort of mental time travel in that 1865 01:28:10,770 --> 01:28:07,990 body I mean so it's tricky right it is 1866 01:28:12,570 --> 01:28:10,780 it is I mean because I would love I 1867 01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:12,580 would love to go back if I could go back 1868 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:16,540 in time see this is where things get so 1869 01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:19,570 complicated that I know a lot about the 1870 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:22,510 guitar right right I know all these 1871 01:28:27,710 --> 01:28:24,850 modern techniques with the guitar if I 1872 01:28:33,170 --> 01:28:27,720 took what I know now and went back to 1873 01:28:36,750 --> 01:28:33,180 1975 I'm the rock god of all rock gods 1874 01:28:38,940 --> 01:28:36,760 machine right right right but what do I 1875 01:28:43,740 --> 01:28:38,950 does that mean I have to go back in time 1876 01:28:46,500 --> 01:28:43,750 and kill myself and write or if I go 1877 01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:46,510 back in time am i the younger me or if 1878 01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:49,090 I'm going back in time am I still 55 1879 01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:51,550 years old and that doesn't hold water it 1880 01:28:56,250 --> 01:28:54,490 probably depends on which version of our 1881 01:28:57,540 --> 01:28:56,260 time travel or future time-traveling 1882 01:28:58,920 --> 01:28:57,550 machines you're hopping into you write 1883 01:29:04,050 --> 01:28:58,930 one version is just mental time travel 1884 01:29:05,130 --> 01:29:04,060 one is just information and emotions you 1885 01:29:06,570 --> 01:29:05,140 know where you don't even take your 1886 01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:06,580 memory with you then one you take your 1887 01:29:10,980 --> 01:29:08,650 memory with you and then later you take 1888 01:29:14,010 --> 01:29:10,990 your memory and information and emotions 1889 01:29:15,810 --> 01:29:14,020 and your body so it all depends on which 1890 01:29:20,460 --> 01:29:15,820 version you're jumping in right I know 1891 01:29:24,630 --> 01:29:20,470 or you take a van Halen CD you go back 1892 01:29:28,260 --> 01:29:24,640 to 1970 you find Jimi Hendrix before he 1893 01:29:31,230 --> 01:29:28,270 dies you give him the CD and then you 1894 01:29:33,570 --> 01:29:31,240 disappear right so now he can listen Van 1895 01:29:40,170 --> 01:29:33,580 Halen and maybe Hendrix wouldn't have 1896 01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:40,180 died and now I you know yes yes yes yes 1897 01:29:46,740 --> 01:29:43,840 Panama comes out on on bridge no sighs 1898 01:29:49,170 --> 01:29:46,750 so there you go let's take a break right 1899 01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,180 here Julie a great conversation so when 1900 01:29:53,010 --> 01:29:51,040 we come back let's get into the 1901 01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:53,020 time-travel side of all of this 1902 01:29:57,850 --> 01:29:56,410 I can't wait if I can talk to a PhD 1903 01:29:59,620 --> 01:29:57,860 about time travel 1904 01:30:02,200 --> 01:29:59,630 I've won and that's what this show is 1905 01:30:08,180 --> 01:30:02,210 about more with Julia mas bridge after 1906 01:30:08,190 --> 01:30:18,030 [Music] 1907 01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:21,210 way out here we listen to Jimmy Church 1908 01:30:26,740 --> 01:30:24,250 you're listening to faint and black 1909 01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:26,750 always on the edge of the hottest 1910 01:30:30,370 --> 01:30:29,600 alternative talk chilly church with fade 1911 01:30:49,630 --> 01:30:30,380 to black 1912 01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:49,640 stay GRA radio.com hurricanes 1913 01:30:55,090 --> 01:30:53,360 earthquakes wildfires this year we've 1914 01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:55,100 experienced more than our fair share 1915 01:31:00,370 --> 01:30:57,920 this is Jimmy Church a fade to black and 1916 01:31:02,590 --> 01:31:00,380 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01:33:59,330 televised the revolution is on radio 1986 01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:39,320 [Music] 1987 01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:41,930 [Applause] 1988 01:34:46,490 --> 01:34:44,130 welcome back fade to black I'm your host 1989 01:34:47,870 --> 01:34:46,500 Jimmy church tonight dr. Julia Moss 1990 01:34:51,500 --> 01:34:47,880 bridge is here we're talking about her 1991 01:34:54,110 --> 01:34:51,510 new book written with Teresa Chung the 1992 01:34:54,980 --> 01:34:54,120 premonition coat it is amazing the links 1993 01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:54,990 for the book 1994 01:34:59,510 --> 01:34:57,120 are right up there at Jimmy Church 1995 01:35:02,810 --> 01:34:59,520 radio.com and it is highly recommended 1996 01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:02,820 amazing book a great job by the way 1997 01:35:07,850 --> 01:35:05,280 Julia the book is absolutely phenomenal 1998 01:35:12,500 --> 01:35:07,860 now let's talk about let's talk about 1999 01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:12,510 time travel and now I laid it out in the 2000 01:35:17,690 --> 01:35:15,210 beginning of the show I'll give you the 2001 01:35:19,580 --> 01:35:17,700 very abridged version of it right now 2002 01:35:22,820 --> 01:35:19,590 it's like the ultimate paradox 2003 01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:22,830 now relativity if you just stop right 2004 01:35:26,930 --> 01:35:25,050 there no time machines involve you just 2005 01:35:30,650 --> 01:35:26,940 need a little dose of the speed of light 2006 01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:30,660 but let's say and it's the like the 2007 01:35:37,250 --> 01:35:33,930 ultimate paradox that you and I in Rita 2008 01:35:40,910 --> 01:35:37,260 right we jump on a ship we head off boom 2009 01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:40,920 to achieve the speed of light we do a 2010 01:35:45,410 --> 01:35:43,410 u-turn we come back you know a few years 2011 01:35:47,060 --> 01:35:45,420 later planet Earth that's now a thousand 2012 01:35:50,030 --> 01:35:47,070 years in the future ten thousand years 2013 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:50,040 we are now Time Traveller's you and I 2014 01:35:54,740 --> 01:35:52,890 and Rita have just aged a few years we 2015 01:35:56,630 --> 01:35:54,750 still look young and vibrant and cool 2016 01:35:59,810 --> 01:35:56,640 nothing has changed really in our world 2017 01:36:02,780 --> 01:35:59,820 but we arrived back here thousands of 2018 01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:02,790 years have passed now we are time 2019 01:36:09,190 --> 01:36:06,330 travelers that's it we have gone to the 2020 01:36:12,590 --> 01:36:09,200 future there's nothing to argue here and 2021 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:12,600 we find out when we get back that we're 2022 01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:15,690 not stuck that time travel has been 2023 01:36:23,780 --> 01:36:18,960 achieved and they take us and then send 2024 01:36:26,330 --> 01:36:23,790 us back to today holy crap right now now 2025 01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:26,340 in all of this this is not out of the 2026 01:36:31,430 --> 01:36:28,650 realm of possibility that they are 2027 01:36:36,020 --> 01:36:31,440 theoretically on paper all of this works 2028 01:36:40,700 --> 01:36:36,030 Einstein said it was so now why this is 2029 01:36:44,630 --> 01:36:40,710 the paradox why haven't we've seen time 2030 01:36:46,820 --> 01:36:44,640 travelers from the future why do we 2031 01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:46,830 think we haven't ah 2032 01:36:56,010 --> 01:36:54,420 I read so so so yeah I mean we're 2033 01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:56,020 already piecing together some of the 2034 01:36:59,730 --> 01:36:57,610 pieces for time travel 2035 01:37:02,670 --> 01:36:59,740 we've got mental time travel we're 2036 01:37:04,890 --> 01:37:02,680 talking about precognition right we've 2037 01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:04,900 already got physical time travel on the 2038 01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:08,530 quantum scale mm where effect a quantum 2039 01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:10,810 effect from a what we call a future 2040 01:37:14,610 --> 01:37:12,790 particle seems to be affecting a 2041 01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:14,620 particle the past even after that 2042 01:37:21,210 --> 01:37:18,760 particle ceases to exist so that's 2043 01:37:24,510 --> 01:37:21,220 definitely time travel on the quantum 2044 01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:24,520 scale we have informational time travel 2045 01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:26,170 on the quantum scale coming soon I 2046 01:37:31,260 --> 01:37:28,260 believe because we have teleportation of 2047 01:37:34,830 --> 01:37:31,270 particles from one place to another and 2048 01:37:37,230 --> 01:37:34,840 we also have this physical time travel 2049 01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:37,240 on the quantum scale so it feels to me 2050 01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:39,280 we're getting closer and closer to sort 2051 01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:42,970 of the big shebang which is physical 2052 01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:45,190 time travel taking a body and its 2053 01:37:50,430 --> 01:37:48,000 contents information so the mental 2054 01:37:57,980 --> 01:37:50,440 informational pieces and transporting 2055 01:38:04,530 --> 01:37:57,990 them in time is going on there I'm sorry 2056 01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:04,540 I'm late and there's a guy cleaning up 2057 01:38:10,140 --> 01:38:08,080 so that is it sounded like a ginormous 2058 01:38:14,820 --> 01:38:10,150 building - so you're at you're at noetic 2059 01:38:17,010 --> 01:38:14,830 right now I'm so jealous I'm so jealous 2060 01:38:18,450 --> 01:38:17,020 you know what I want to do there we're 2061 01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:18,460 gonna come back to this in a second I 2062 01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:21,760 would love I don't know if they Dean 2063 01:38:26,010 --> 01:38:23,770 would allow us to do this but maybe it 2064 01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:26,020 happens I would like to get up there 2065 01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:28,510 with a few of my friends walk out there 2066 01:38:36,030 --> 01:38:32,170 at night with our night vision and look 2067 01:38:40,290 --> 01:38:36,040 up at the sky and see what happens up 2068 01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:40,300 there over the compound okay just okay 2069 01:38:46,230 --> 01:38:44,530 you're getting me excited because two 2070 01:38:48,270 --> 01:38:46,240 things so one that speaks to the 2071 01:38:50,220 --> 01:38:48,280 question you asked about so why haven't 2072 01:38:51,690 --> 01:38:50,230 we seen people now if you were traveling 2073 01:38:53,340 --> 01:38:51,700 in time if we actually in the future 2074 01:38:56,250 --> 01:38:53,350 let's say we do a physical try and time 2075 01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:56,260 travel and you come back now how would 2076 01:39:01,680 --> 01:38:59,520 you how would you interact with people 2077 01:39:03,300 --> 01:39:01,690 so that you don't get killed and you 2078 01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:03,310 don't get thrown into a mental 2079 01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:04,480 institution 2080 01:39:09,060 --> 01:39:06,370 we'd have to find creative ways to do 2081 01:39:11,250 --> 01:39:09,070 that so one way is to try to blend in 2082 01:39:13,340 --> 01:39:11,260 and know enough about the culture of the 2083 01:39:15,930 --> 01:39:13,350 time that you're visiting to blend in 2084 01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:15,940 another way is to sort of blend in but 2085 01:39:19,950 --> 01:39:17,890 then leak pieces of useful information 2086 01:39:22,050 --> 01:39:19,960 they that is the reason that you 2087 01:39:23,700 --> 01:39:22,060 time-traveled in the first place and 2088 01:39:26,430 --> 01:39:23,710 another way is to completely not blend 2089 01:39:27,930 --> 01:39:26,440 in and just be completely bizarre and no 2090 01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:27,940 one will believe you like being alien 2091 01:39:34,290 --> 01:39:31,510 right anyway so we were talking about 2092 01:39:36,750 --> 01:39:34,300 this about you know time travel in ways 2093 01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:36,760 that you would do that and appear we 2094 01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:38,170 were all sitting in the hot tub here at 2095 01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:40,510 ions there's a big sort of rectangular 2096 01:39:46,020 --> 01:39:43,690 hot tub and there's some kind of staff 2097 01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:46,030 retreat and we were and I had this 2098 01:39:49,980 --> 01:39:48,610 feeling and I said okay everyone you 2099 01:39:51,150 --> 01:39:49,990 know I don't know let's just look at 2100 01:39:53,220 --> 01:39:51,160 this guy I feel like something's gonna 2101 01:39:55,950 --> 01:39:53,230 go on so we're looking at the sky and 2102 01:39:58,890 --> 01:39:55,960 about two minutes later this blue flash 2103 01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:58,900 of beautiful light I came up over the 2104 01:40:03,930 --> 01:40:01,440 tree that was slightly to our left and 2105 01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:03,940 we all saw it and then we talked about 2106 01:40:09,690 --> 01:40:07,090 it and that was that but it's very 2107 01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:09,700 interesting experience and I look at 2108 01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:11,440 when it happens I love it when it 2109 01:40:19,710 --> 01:40:15,130 happens yeah I've had the same types of 2110 01:40:21,330 --> 01:40:19,720 things go down and I when you go and you 2111 01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:21,340 tell somebody that experience like you 2112 01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:23,410 did right here I mean I just told you I 2113 01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:27,730 love it when it happens it's so hard to 2114 01:40:34,530 --> 01:40:31,690 the uninitiated to even understand what 2115 01:40:34,980 --> 01:40:34,540 you are trying to say yeah they don't 2116 01:40:36,810 --> 01:40:34,990 get it 2117 01:40:39,420 --> 01:40:36,820 but when it does happen like that you 2118 01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:39,430 just got to just sit back kind of like a 2119 01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:42,010 deja vu right and just enjoy the 2120 01:40:46,110 --> 01:40:44,410 experience that's what happened it's 2121 01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:46,120 like that was my experience that doesn't 2122 01:40:52,440 --> 01:40:48,010 mean anything but that was my experience 2123 01:40:55,290 --> 01:40:52,450 and what's going on well now if we were 2124 01:40:59,640 --> 01:40:55,300 all coming back on our roundtrip at 2125 01:41:02,160 --> 01:40:59,650 Lightspeed yeah we would first off it 2126 01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:02,170 would take us probably weeks to slow 2127 01:41:07,230 --> 01:41:04,570 down they would know that the ship is 2128 01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:07,240 approaching we would tell them hey we 2129 01:41:13,950 --> 01:41:11,650 left in in 2020 on this ship we went out 2130 01:41:16,380 --> 01:41:13,960 at Lightspeed and now we're coming back 2131 01:41:17,089 --> 01:41:16,390 this is who we are and maybe they would 2132 01:41:20,689 --> 01:41:17,099 have 2133 01:41:23,689 --> 01:41:20,699 of our launch from 10,000 years prior 2134 01:41:27,740 --> 01:41:23,699 and they would be expecting us there's 2135 01:41:31,339 --> 01:41:27,750 that part of it but I guess the point 2136 01:41:34,580 --> 01:41:31,349 that I am trying to make is that in the 2137 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:34,590 future certainly they have conquer time 2138 01:41:40,819 --> 01:41:37,770 travel in a mechanical physical sense 2139 01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,829 yeah you know and and so we wouldn't 2140 01:41:44,660 --> 01:41:42,960 necessarily be locked into the future 2141 01:41:47,810 --> 01:41:44,670 and then we would come back here and 2142 01:41:51,260 --> 01:41:47,820 then we would tell everybody about the 2143 01:41:52,879 --> 01:41:51,270 experience from the future and depending 2144 01:41:54,379 --> 01:41:52,889 on the culture yeah I mean I don't think 2145 01:41:57,859 --> 01:41:54,389 we're at a culture right now where if 2146 01:41:59,390 --> 01:41:57,869 you came back I mean unless it was 2147 01:42:01,069 --> 01:41:59,400 something that was physical like that 2148 01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:01,079 you know you know your relativity this 2149 01:42:04,939 --> 01:42:03,210 happened we would need to have a record 2150 01:42:10,069 --> 01:42:04,949 of it to believe that that was what 2151 01:42:12,290 --> 01:42:10,079 happened right so what's your answer to 2152 01:42:16,609 --> 01:42:12,300 that do you think that in the future 2153 01:42:19,609 --> 01:42:16,619 they have conquered time travel and that 2154 01:42:22,819 --> 01:42:19,619 time travel is a reality right now today 2155 01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:22,829 and there are time travelers walking 2156 01:42:30,069 --> 01:42:26,400 around us right now I think that in the 2157 01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:30,079 future we have conquered time travel and 2158 01:42:34,879 --> 01:42:33,119 that's yeah I mean I think that one 2159 01:42:36,410 --> 01:42:34,889 consequence of having that believed done 2160 01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,420 some calculations or have had some 2161 01:42:41,930 --> 01:42:38,159 horrible mistakes and realized that was 2162 01:42:44,300 --> 01:42:41,940 not a good idea or we are and that's a 2163 01:42:46,970 --> 01:42:44,310 normal a normal piece of what's going on 2164 01:42:49,339 --> 01:42:46,980 in fact I make a proposition in the book 2165 01:42:52,819 --> 01:42:49,349 that I think about periodically which is 2166 01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:52,829 what if there's some sort of agreement 2167 01:42:57,379 --> 01:42:54,810 that informational time travel sort of 2168 01:43:00,050 --> 01:42:57,389 sending back bits of information rather 2169 01:43:01,939 --> 01:43:00,060 than sending back actual humans is the 2170 01:43:03,919 --> 01:43:01,949 way to go and you could imagine why that 2171 01:43:08,930 --> 01:43:03,929 would be sort of a smarter thing to do 2172 01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:08,940 right I'm going to shoot him a dirty 2173 01:43:14,300 --> 01:43:12,000 look yeah or just something like now 2174 01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:14,310 maybe it's not a great idea to invent 2175 01:43:18,410 --> 01:43:16,290 the you know atom bomb or whatever it is 2176 01:43:20,450 --> 01:43:18,420 and just get that piece of information 2177 01:43:22,370 --> 01:43:20,460 back there but it might be more 2178 01:43:24,169 --> 01:43:22,380 efficient and in that case we should be 2179 01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:24,179 able to see sort of changes in 2180 01:43:29,810 --> 01:43:26,210 probabilities of what would be expected 2181 01:43:31,660 --> 01:43:29,820 based on the past compared to what 2182 01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:31,670 actually happens 2183 01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:34,730 and so it seems to me you could write 2184 01:43:40,210 --> 01:43:37,970 some kind of algorithm to sort of look 2185 01:43:41,770 --> 01:43:40,220 at probabilities of world events and see 2186 01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:41,780 if there are some interesting shifts 2187 01:43:46,150 --> 01:43:44,570 that are kind of unpredictable and if 2188 01:43:48,070 --> 01:43:46,160 they increase that during a particular 2189 01:43:50,290 --> 01:43:48,080 time that might be a time of lots of 2190 01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:50,300 information being leaked back it seems 2191 01:43:54,730 --> 01:43:51,410 like there's something you could do 2192 01:43:57,010 --> 01:43:54,740 there well then we have another thing to 2193 01:44:00,700 --> 01:43:57,020 look at here and if we go into the 2194 01:44:01,180 --> 01:44:00,710 extreme future of us of us versions of 2195 01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:01,190 us 2196 01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:05,410 stretching out 10,000 years or further 2197 01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:09,410 that we may not even have these physical 2198 01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:12,530 bodies anymore we may have seriously 2199 01:44:18,700 --> 01:44:15,470 transitioned into something else that we 2200 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:18,710 wouldn't even recognize today and those 2201 01:44:23,890 --> 01:44:20,890 time travelers coming back they may be 2202 01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:23,900 the future humans but they wouldn't be 2203 01:44:29,890 --> 01:44:26,330 humans that we recognize and it could be 2204 01:44:33,970 --> 01:44:29,900 even something totally energetic and and 2205 01:44:36,130 --> 01:44:33,980 not physical at all and therefore that 2206 01:44:38,380 --> 01:44:36,140 would answer all of Stephen Hawking's 2207 01:44:40,420 --> 01:44:38,390 questions about you know his time 2208 01:44:47,140 --> 01:44:40,430 traveler party that nobody showed up 2209 01:44:48,970 --> 01:44:47,150 well he may not even have seen them well 2210 01:44:50,110 --> 01:44:48,980 maybe no one wants to go to the party 2211 01:44:53,590 --> 01:44:50,120 because they're pointing out that he was 2212 01:44:56,020 --> 01:44:53,600 wrong I mean so different oh what the 2213 01:44:58,630 --> 01:44:56,030 time-travel politics are like but 2214 01:45:00,310 --> 01:44:58,640 assuming that the human that human 2215 01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:00,320 beings are always going to have to and 2216 01:45:04,420 --> 01:45:02,330 have it their bodies to be conscious in 2217 01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:04,430 the future is probably an assumption 2218 01:45:08,500 --> 01:45:06,050 that we make now because we don't think 2219 01:45:10,450 --> 01:45:08,510 otherwise you know it's hard to think 2220 01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:10,460 about not having a body but it's quite 2221 01:45:13,210 --> 01:45:11,840 possible in the future that we figure 2222 01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:13,220 out how to deal with consciousness 2223 01:45:17,140 --> 01:45:14,510 without having to lug around these 2224 01:45:20,440 --> 01:45:17,150 bodies all the time in that case why 2225 01:45:26,590 --> 01:45:20,450 would we have to time travel with our 2226 01:45:28,150 --> 01:45:26,600 bodies it's and then we have time travel 2227 01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:28,160 of the mind and you brought this up I 2228 01:45:32,290 --> 01:45:30,170 brought it up in my opening statements 2229 01:45:36,030 --> 01:45:32,300 tonight that's that's the other part 2230 01:45:39,220 --> 01:45:36,040 that I really really dig and that is 2231 01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:39,230 seeing the past or seeing the future and 2232 01:45:44,230 --> 01:45:42,170 and using your mind for this and you're 2233 01:45:46,030 --> 01:45:44,240 taking the physicality out of it and 2234 01:45:47,770 --> 01:45:46,040 only that but you're taking the 2235 01:45:50,260 --> 01:45:47,780 technical things that you would have to 2236 01:45:51,790 --> 01:45:50,270 overcome to as well the position of the 2237 01:45:54,010 --> 01:45:51,800 earth in the universe and the solar 2238 01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:54,020 system and where it's at 2239 01:46:00,490 --> 01:45:57,050 you're you're taking that part of it out 2240 01:46:05,650 --> 01:46:00,500 and now it's only time travel of the 2241 01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:05,660 mind right well you know here's the 2242 01:46:09,730 --> 01:46:07,280 thing I think we have this habit where 2243 01:46:13,210 --> 01:46:09,740 we take what's going on in the physical 2244 01:46:14,410 --> 01:46:13,220 world and sort of the rules for you know 2245 01:46:16,690 --> 01:46:14,420 if I drop the ball it falls to the 2246 01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:16,700 ground or whatever the rules for the 2247 01:46:21,490 --> 01:46:19,370 physical world and we assume that those 2248 01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:21,500 world those rules apply to the mental 2249 01:46:24,850 --> 01:46:23,360 world but we have no evidence that they 2250 01:46:29,230 --> 01:46:24,860 do in fact we have evidence that they 2251 01:46:31,690 --> 01:46:29,240 don't so we assume that because you know 2252 01:46:33,670 --> 01:46:31,700 I'm physically separate from you then 2253 01:46:37,390 --> 01:46:33,680 that also means that our minds don't 2254 01:46:40,210 --> 01:46:37,400 connect in any way or because my body 2255 01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:40,220 feels different on day three as compared 2256 01:46:45,190 --> 01:46:43,250 to day four that there's no kind of 2257 01:46:50,770 --> 01:46:45,200 mental connection between those two days 2258 01:46:53,110 --> 01:46:50,780 and that's just sloppy thinking right so 2259 01:46:55,930 --> 01:46:53,120 what we call mental time travel is not 2260 01:46:57,550 --> 01:46:55,940 making that assumption so instead it's 2261 01:46:59,440 --> 01:46:57,560 like okay so what is the connection 2262 01:47:02,020 --> 01:46:59,450 between today and tomorrow mentally 2263 01:47:04,300 --> 01:47:02,030 maybe there's some kind of a resonance 2264 01:47:05,860 --> 01:47:04,310 or something where whatever the event is 2265 01:47:07,900 --> 01:47:05,870 today or if I miss it in a certain 2266 01:47:09,550 --> 01:47:07,910 location today I can get information 2267 01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:09,560 about something that's similar that's 2268 01:47:14,230 --> 01:47:11,090 sort of stimulating that resonance 2269 01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:14,240 that's happening tomorrow and that that 2270 01:47:18,970 --> 01:47:16,570 really is mental time travel or 2271 01:47:21,010 --> 01:47:18,980 remembering the future in a way or 2272 01:47:22,930 --> 01:47:21,020 precognition and then there's mental 2273 01:47:23,980 --> 01:47:22,940 time travel to the past you'll be 2274 01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:23,990 sitting there and then you'll have a 2275 01:47:27,430 --> 01:47:26,210 memory hope you know when you were seven 2276 01:47:31,740 --> 01:47:27,440 years old and you were riding your bike 2277 01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:31,750 and you fell down and it's very real and 2278 01:47:41,380 --> 01:47:36,770 is there a way to have you met somebody 2279 01:47:43,060 --> 01:47:41,390 that has gone to the distant past you 2280 01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:43,070 know through the mind and I'm talking 2281 01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:45,410 about the distant past let's talk engine 2282 01:47:54,940 --> 01:47:48,800 Egypt or you know the crucifixion or 2283 01:47:58,000 --> 01:47:54,950 hung out with da Vinci you know I met a 2284 01:48:01,990 --> 01:47:58,010 guy who is researcher 2285 01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:02,000 in precognition who had an experience of 2286 01:48:08,890 --> 01:48:06,050 standing on top of a hill in I don't 2287 01:48:10,900 --> 01:48:08,900 know if I Mesopotamia or someplace that 2288 01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:10,910 you know you've heard up from middle 2289 01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:16,489 school social studies that doesn't exist 2290 01:48:22,750 --> 01:48:20,000 anymore by the same name and his 2291 01:48:24,430 --> 01:48:22,760 experience was interacting with the 2292 01:48:26,770 --> 01:48:24,440 natural environment but not interacting 2293 01:48:28,180 --> 01:48:26,780 with any people so that's the only 2294 01:48:32,979 --> 01:48:28,190 person I've known to have had that 2295 01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:32,989 experience and I was impressed with the 2296 01:48:40,780 --> 01:48:35,890 realism with which he spoke about it 2297 01:48:42,700 --> 01:48:40,790 he was absolutely convincing in his 2298 01:48:48,220 --> 01:48:42,710 discussion of what had happened to him 2299 01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:48,230 how far back did he go I don't remember 2300 01:48:56,140 --> 01:48:52,130 but it was like more than you know more 2301 01:49:00,580 --> 01:48:56,150 than 5,000 years we have so many guests 2302 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:00,590 on this show that have time traveled to 2303 01:49:04,780 --> 01:49:04,010 the distance pass and interacted and 2304 01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:04,790 observed 2305 01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:09,170 things and in in a very like you're 2306 01:49:16,090 --> 01:49:11,090 saying here in a very vibrant detailed 2307 01:49:19,780 --> 01:49:16,100 manner and the the descriptions of this 2308 01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:19,790 I don't I don't discount what is what is 2309 01:49:26,170 --> 01:49:22,610 going on but I think that in large part 2310 01:49:31,410 --> 01:49:26,180 it's not necessarily controllable or is 2311 01:49:33,370 --> 01:49:31,420 something that is it's an accident I 2312 01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,380 think for most people it's spontaneous 2313 01:49:38,050 --> 01:49:36,080 certainly was this guy right and what 2314 01:49:39,729 --> 01:49:38,060 I've read about for people who have 2315 01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:39,739 these experiences like all of a sudden 2316 01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:40,370 whoops 2317 01:49:43,810 --> 01:49:42,290 you know you look around and you're 2318 01:49:45,970 --> 01:49:43,820 seeing things and you're hearing things 2319 01:49:47,530 --> 01:49:45,980 and you're smelling things and you're 2320 01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:47,540 really feeling like you're in a 2321 01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:50,930 different place and it is a thing that 2322 01:49:58,479 --> 01:49:54,610 happened to you now there are other 2323 01:50:03,640 --> 01:49:58,489 historical moments where we have made 2324 01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:03,650 enormous jumps in and technology and 2325 01:50:07,840 --> 01:50:05,360 knowledge and you know that's been part 2326 01:50:10,190 --> 01:50:07,850 of our evolution and we can go back to 2327 01:50:13,780 --> 01:50:10,200 different specific instances 2328 01:50:18,010 --> 01:50:13,790 of say fire or the wheel or the 2329 01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:18,020 domestication of wheat or mathematics or 2330 01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:22,320 astronomy physics mathematics all of 2331 01:50:26,690 --> 01:50:24,090 these you know seminal moments 2332 01:50:29,870 --> 01:50:26,700 throughout human history or some have 2333 01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:29,880 suggested you know we made et contact 2334 01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:32,310 others will say that it was information 2335 01:50:38,210 --> 01:50:35,970 from God from the heavens well then 2336 01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:38,220 there's the other part with each one of 2337 01:50:42,770 --> 01:50:41,360 these where you could insert the word 2338 01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:42,780 timetraveler 2339 01:50:49,090 --> 01:50:45,690 in there and and come up with the same 2340 01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:49,100 results what do you think about that I 2341 01:50:53,990 --> 01:50:51,330 think that's a likely possibility I 2342 01:50:58,190 --> 01:50:54,000 think that I was just chatting today 2343 01:51:02,710 --> 01:50:58,200 with a guy who had visited a pyramid in 2344 01:51:06,260 --> 01:51:02,720 Egypt and had noticed that one of the 2345 01:51:09,410 --> 01:51:06,270 drawings on very sort of I guess the art 2346 01:51:11,170 --> 01:51:09,420 on the side of one of the rooms had an 2347 01:51:14,810 --> 01:51:11,180 image of what looked like a transformer 2348 01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:14,820 with electricity coming from it and 2349 01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:16,890 something that looked like an electrical 2350 01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:19,040 outlet and he thought well is that just 2351 01:51:27,310 --> 01:51:23,760 coincidence or because in ancient Egypt 2352 01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:27,320 this should not be something that exists 2353 01:51:36,290 --> 01:51:33,650 or is that time travel or do we have 2354 01:51:38,780 --> 01:51:36,300 sort of transformers and electricity 2355 01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:38,790 because of information that's come 2356 01:51:44,810 --> 01:51:41,520 coming from some common other source 2357 01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:44,820 that keeps coming back to us well we 2358 01:51:52,340 --> 01:51:47,370 have to look at it that way giulia in 2359 01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,350 that it may in in each one of these 2360 01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:54,480 instances it's information from the 2361 01:51:59,960 --> 01:51:55,050 future 2362 01:52:02,440 --> 01:51:59,970 they tried to figure it out and so they 2363 01:52:05,480 --> 01:52:02,450 built a wheel because they saw cars 2364 01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:05,490 right in a premonition so now they're 2365 01:52:11,630 --> 01:52:08,730 building carts you know 3,000 years ago 2366 01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:11,640 okay that that makes sense and then you 2367 01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:14,490 have somebody else like da Vinci who 2368 01:52:20,590 --> 01:52:17,850 clearly was seeing things and designing 2369 01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:20,600 things that were not part of his world 2370 01:52:27,630 --> 01:52:23,770 helicopters you know tanks 2371 01:52:31,560 --> 01:52:27,640 machine guns that's right and so was he 2372 01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:31,570 visited by time traveler or did he have 2373 01:52:37,050 --> 01:52:34,810 a premonition and Precog of the future 2374 01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:37,060 where he saw a future world and he was 2375 01:52:42,150 --> 01:52:39,040 just trying to replicate it where he was 2376 01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:42,160 at but certainly something happened 2377 01:52:47,790 --> 01:52:44,050 there that was magical and I don't know 2378 01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:47,800 which way to go with it well and I'm not 2379 01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:49,690 sure there's so much of a difference I 2380 01:52:55,170 --> 01:52:53,890 think we're worse it's almost again it's 2381 01:52:57,420 --> 01:52:55,180 one of these things where if you're 2382 01:52:59,130 --> 01:52:57,430 focused on time as this linear past 2383 01:53:01,410 --> 01:52:59,140 present future then there is a 2384 01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:01,420 difference between receiving information 2385 01:53:08,610 --> 01:53:06,610 from the future and and a time traveler 2386 01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,620 offering information because it's like a 2387 01:53:15,480 --> 01:53:10,480 direction of causality are you receiving 2388 01:53:17,580 --> 01:53:15,490 or are you on the end of an action but 2389 01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:17,590 in a way those are the same thing well 2390 01:53:23,130 --> 01:53:20,800 and we haven't even what is time to you 2391 01:53:28,290 --> 01:53:23,140 what's your definition of time let's get 2392 01:53:30,540 --> 01:53:28,300 down to that yeah right yeah what is 2393 01:53:32,490 --> 01:53:30,550 time and I you know I used to have a 2394 01:53:34,350 --> 01:53:32,500 good answer for that and the more I 2395 01:53:37,890 --> 01:53:34,360 learned the more I have a really 2396 01:53:43,530 --> 01:53:37,900 horrible answer for that which is time 2397 01:53:48,180 --> 01:53:43,540 is a multifaceted time is not one thing 2398 01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:48,190 it's a it's a multi-faceted construct 2399 01:53:55,110 --> 01:53:52,810 and experience and with with many 2400 01:53:58,500 --> 01:53:55,120 components that seem to be related in 2401 01:54:01,290 --> 01:53:58,510 some way but not always so so there's 2402 01:54:04,740 --> 01:54:01,300 experience or components like order like 2403 01:54:06,660 --> 01:54:04,750 a came before B and there's experience 2404 01:54:08,340 --> 01:54:06,670 real components like duration so this 2405 01:54:11,700 --> 01:54:08,350 conversation lasts a certain amount of 2406 01:54:14,070 --> 01:54:11,710 time and there's experiencial components 2407 01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:14,080 like synchrony like this came at the 2408 01:54:19,260 --> 01:54:17,920 same time as that we're not which is 2409 01:54:22,470 --> 01:54:19,270 similar but not exactly the same as 2410 01:54:23,850 --> 01:54:22,480 order and and so those are sort of 2411 01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:23,860 experience your components and then 2412 01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:26,650 there's the kind the construct 2413 01:54:31,380 --> 01:54:29,770 components about okay so if one thing 2414 01:54:33,950 --> 01:54:31,390 can be come before another thing that 2415 01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:33,960 means things come at different times and 2416 01:54:37,979 --> 01:54:36,610 if things come at different times 2417 01:54:40,859 --> 01:54:37,989 that means there's 2418 01:54:43,770 --> 01:54:40,869 sometime that's we're gonna label now 2419 01:54:45,569 --> 01:54:43,780 and that's different from other times 2420 01:54:48,270 --> 01:54:45,579 and if there are other times that are 2421 01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:48,280 not now we're gonna call the one that we 2422 01:54:51,359 --> 01:54:50,050 remember the past and we're going to 2423 01:54:54,450 --> 01:54:51,369 call the one that we don't generally 2424 01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:54,460 remember the future and if there's the 2425 01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:56,530 past in the future then that means 2426 01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:58,210 there's some kind of progression now we 2427 01:55:00,689 --> 01:54:59,440 don't really know that there's any kind 2428 01:55:02,729 --> 01:55:00,699 of progression we don't really know that 2429 01:55:04,770 --> 01:55:02,739 the past and future actually exists but 2430 01:55:08,009 --> 01:55:04,780 these are sort of constructs that we 2431 01:55:12,660 --> 01:55:08,019 draw from our daily experience sort of 2432 01:55:14,970 --> 01:55:12,670 the folk wisdom of time and then there's 2433 01:55:16,379 --> 01:55:14,980 these physical things that we could sort 2434 01:55:18,419 --> 01:55:16,389 of look at and pretend we're a fly on 2435 01:55:20,189 --> 01:55:18,429 the wall and watch as if being an 2436 01:55:23,689 --> 01:55:20,199 observer doesn't affect anything which 2437 01:55:26,669 --> 01:55:23,699 is false but let's say we do that then 2438 01:55:28,109 --> 01:55:26,679 then we could develop these sort of we 2439 01:55:30,959 --> 01:55:28,119 might want to call them other concepts 2440 01:55:33,660 --> 01:55:30,969 or other constructs about time but the 2441 01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:33,670 problem is they're all in the context of 2442 01:55:39,270 --> 01:55:36,249 our perception so they're all the 2443 01:55:44,819 --> 01:55:39,280 context of these experience or pieces so 2444 01:55:47,069 --> 01:55:44,829 it's time is almost like calling the 2445 01:55:49,649 --> 01:55:47,079 time is almost like saying the same 2446 01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:49,659 thing as experience I mean it's very 2447 01:55:56,819 --> 01:55:53,730 hard to differentiate what someone means 2448 01:56:01,979 --> 01:55:56,829 when they say experience if what they if 2449 01:56:05,279 --> 01:56:01,989 they don't mean basically feeling time 2450 01:56:08,779 --> 01:56:05,289 as it goes by I don't know the 2451 01:56:15,660 --> 01:56:12,750 we'll see and this is this is my take I 2452 01:56:20,790 --> 01:56:15,670 just want the audience to as simple as 2453 01:56:23,790 --> 01:56:20,800 it may be yeah time to me it's just a 2454 01:56:28,109 --> 01:56:23,800 watch that's what time is time is a 2455 01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:28,119 clock time is something that we were 2456 01:56:37,770 --> 01:56:34,570 given to measure that's it and without 2457 01:56:41,459 --> 01:56:37,780 without clocks or watches to remind us 2458 01:56:44,609 --> 01:56:41,469 of what time it is or how much time has 2459 01:56:47,370 --> 01:56:44,619 passed or how we can anticipate how long 2460 01:56:50,430 --> 01:56:47,380 the next hour is going to be is only 2461 01:56:51,330 --> 01:56:50,440 because of clocks and watches the 2462 01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:51,340 mechanical 2463 01:56:57,479 --> 01:56:54,400 presentation of it other than that time 2464 01:56:59,970 --> 01:56:57,489 doesn't really exist exist because 2465 01:57:06,030 --> 01:56:59,980 nobody at time is different to everybody 2466 01:57:08,189 --> 01:57:06,040 if you try to have somebody gauge how 2467 01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:08,199 much time has passed it's all relative 2468 01:57:13,290 --> 01:57:10,570 to that individual and nobody is right 2469 01:57:15,839 --> 01:57:13,300 about it and if you if you if you take 2470 01:57:17,490 --> 01:57:15,849 the Sun out of it right if you take the 2471 01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:17,500 Sun out of it and put somebody in a room 2472 01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:20,800 without any clocks in it it's different 2473 01:57:26,820 --> 01:57:23,170 they're not gonna even have a clue to 2474 01:57:28,919 --> 01:57:26,830 what's really going on right I mean 2475 01:57:32,100 --> 01:57:28,929 their circadian rhythm will gradually 2476 01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:32,110 start shifting so yeah I mean a lot of 2477 01:57:37,290 --> 01:57:34,719 it is taught and there are cultures in 2478 01:57:38,910 --> 01:57:37,300 which so I agree with that assessment of 2479 01:57:43,140 --> 01:57:38,920 a lot of it is this construct that's 2480 01:57:44,609 --> 01:57:43,150 taught culturally and and sort of yeah 2481 01:57:47,310 --> 01:57:44,619 but mostly within our culture and 2482 01:57:50,010 --> 01:57:47,320 linguistically I guess but there are 2483 01:57:54,810 --> 01:57:50,020 cultures in which you don't use the past 2484 01:57:56,129 --> 01:57:54,820 tense unless you know about something so 2485 01:57:57,810 --> 01:57:56,139 as soon as you know about something then 2486 01:57:59,760 --> 01:57:57,820 it goes in your past test but if someone 2487 01:58:01,830 --> 01:57:59,770 else doesn't know about it it's still in 2488 01:58:05,310 --> 01:58:01,840 their present tense so it's like if I 2489 01:58:09,780 --> 01:58:05,320 asked you who won the Detroit Tigers 2490 01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:09,790 game you you might say or I could say 2491 01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:12,010 who will win and you would understand 2492 01:58:16,470 --> 01:58:13,599 that even though half an hour ago you 2493 01:58:19,470 --> 01:58:16,480 figured out that the Detroit Tigers won 2494 01:58:20,910 --> 01:58:19,480 you'd say the Detroit Tigers won and I 2495 01:58:23,550 --> 01:58:20,920 said no I'm so excited that they'll win 2496 01:58:24,050 --> 01:58:23,560 and then okay now I know okay now they 2497 01:58:27,089 --> 01:58:24,060 won 2498 01:58:29,790 --> 01:58:27,099 so there's cultures in which it's the 2499 01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:29,800 knowledge of the individual knowledge of 2500 01:58:34,919 --> 01:58:31,690 an event that puts it into the past not 2501 01:58:38,100 --> 01:58:34,929 some sort of group shared idea right 2502 01:58:38,820 --> 01:58:38,110 yeah that's heavy yeah that's heavy yeah 2503 01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:38,830 okay 2504 01:58:44,609 --> 01:58:42,610 yeah you just made me think that's 2505 01:58:46,890 --> 01:58:44,619 that's a really that's a really heavy 2506 01:58:49,169 --> 01:58:46,900 way to look at it because it is exactly 2507 01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:49,179 what the experience is or the experience 2508 01:58:55,260 --> 01:58:52,810 that was so let's take a quick break 2509 01:58:57,750 --> 01:58:55,270 right here we've got to do that and then 2510 01:59:01,080 --> 01:58:57,760 when we come back I'm going to talk 2511 01:59:04,060 --> 01:59:01,090 about some historical some historical 2512 01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:04,070 events that I want to remind everybody 2513 01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:07,040 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02:04:15,590 welcome back fade to black come here 2628 02:04:21,960 --> 02:04:17,860 you're hosting me Church your time 2629 02:04:24,180 --> 02:04:21,970 traveling host our guest tonight Julia 2630 02:04:27,270 --> 02:04:24,190 Moss bridge PhD we're talking about her 2631 02:04:29,220 --> 02:04:27,280 new book that she wrote with that Teresa 2632 02:04:31,410 --> 02:04:29,230 Chung I'm holding it up to the cameras 2633 02:04:34,440 --> 02:04:31,420 right here it's a the premonition code 2634 02:04:36,810 --> 02:04:34,450 the book is is phenomenal and time 2635 02:04:38,900 --> 02:04:36,820 travel Julia I discussed on the show all 2636 02:04:41,910 --> 02:04:38,910 the time going back to the very first 2637 02:04:45,810 --> 02:04:41,920 broadcast of the show it was one of my 2638 02:04:49,470 --> 02:04:45,820 interest over the years and I I look 2639 02:04:52,680 --> 02:04:49,480 back to different historical situations 2640 02:04:59,280 --> 02:04:52,690 every culture whether it was ancient 2641 02:05:02,700 --> 02:04:59,290 India ancient Japan Greece Rome Egypt of 2642 02:05:07,170 --> 02:05:02,710 course all had their own time travelers 2643 02:05:09,060 --> 02:05:07,180 and they it was part of for them not 2644 02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:09,070 only their ancient writings but part of 2645 02:05:14,970 --> 02:05:13,210 the historical record and I I have 2646 02:05:18,360 --> 02:05:14,980 always asked the question were these 2647 02:05:20,970 --> 02:05:18,370 genuine time travelers or was it their 2648 02:05:25,200 --> 02:05:20,980 interest in time travel and and if you 2649 02:05:28,020 --> 02:05:25,210 go back to the way that cultures were 2650 02:05:30,450 --> 02:05:28,030 thinking 5,000 years ago 4000 years ago 2651 02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:30,460 I don't know if science fiction came 2652 02:05:36,180 --> 02:05:33,610 into play you know and to talk about 2653 02:05:39,450 --> 02:05:36,190 time travel and time machines and the 2654 02:05:40,650 --> 02:05:39,460 ability to to do this was it just 2655 02:05:43,710 --> 02:05:40,660 because there was always this 2656 02:05:46,170 --> 02:05:43,720 fascination with time travel or that 2657 02:05:49,080 --> 02:05:46,180 time travelers were actually part of 2658 02:05:52,950 --> 02:05:49,090 what was going on and and they just 2659 02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:52,960 wrote about it what do you think well 2660 02:05:58,650 --> 02:05:55,450 you know a time travel I used to think 2661 02:06:01,110 --> 02:05:58,660 as a kid the best way to for science to 2662 02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:01,120 proceed is to not do any science except 2663 02:06:04,650 --> 02:06:02,800 for try to solve time travel because 2664 02:06:06,060 --> 02:06:04,660 once you solve time travel you can do 2665 02:06:08,070 --> 02:06:06,070 all the other stuff you missed right 2666 02:06:09,330 --> 02:06:08,080 like you can go back and care all the 2667 02:06:10,770 --> 02:06:09,340 people of cancer once you figure out 2668 02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:10,780 cancer and stuff like that so it 2669 02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:12,490 basically solves all the other problems 2670 02:06:17,580 --> 02:06:15,850 by basically giving you more time so it 2671 02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:17,590 seems to me that eventually we'll figure 2672 02:06:22,740 --> 02:06:19,840 that out and if we do there's no reason 2673 02:06:24,340 --> 02:06:22,750 to believe we won't have traveled back 2674 02:06:27,010 --> 02:06:24,350 to whatever time 2675 02:06:28,450 --> 02:06:27,020 that there aren't limits on that now 2676 02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:28,460 what yeah 2677 02:06:34,420 --> 02:06:31,330 what about some of the more modern 2678 02:06:39,190 --> 02:06:34,430 versions of time travelers like John 2679 02:06:42,610 --> 02:06:39,200 Titor for instance John Titor you'd have 2680 02:06:45,830 --> 02:06:42,620 to remind me that is okay we don't 2681 02:06:51,470 --> 02:06:45,840 that's a whole nother show 2682 02:06:56,750 --> 02:06:51,480 okay John Titor started posting he 2683 02:07:02,270 --> 02:06:56,760 surfaced in in 2000-2001 and claimed to 2684 02:07:05,569 --> 02:07:02,280 be from the Year 2036 and that he had he 2685 02:07:09,859 --> 02:07:05,579 was posting on some bulletin boards and 2686 02:07:13,370 --> 02:07:09,869 some forms and posted photographs he 2687 02:07:15,589 --> 02:07:13,380 posted the manual for his time machine 2688 02:07:21,140 --> 02:07:15,599 he posted a picture of his time machine 2689 02:07:23,720 --> 02:07:21,150 and explained how he did it very very 2690 02:07:27,260 --> 02:07:23,730 technical in nature he said that he had 2691 02:07:31,370 --> 02:07:27,270 traveled back to 1975 to get this IBM 2692 02:07:35,479 --> 02:07:31,380 computer that they needed in 2036 2693 02:07:40,370 --> 02:07:35,489 to fix the computer issues that they had 2694 02:07:43,819 --> 02:07:40,380 then in 2036 because they went through a 2695 02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:43,829 nuclear war Society had changed like 2696 02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:46,079 2002 thirds of the world's population 2697 02:07:51,470 --> 02:07:48,960 had died it was a different world then 2698 02:07:54,740 --> 02:07:51,480 but he but they had figured out time 2699 02:07:58,430 --> 02:07:54,750 travel so he had to go back to 1975 he 2700 02:08:02,479 --> 02:07:58,440 stopped by the year 2000 for personal 2701 02:08:07,100 --> 02:08:02,489 reasons and one to visit his family see 2702 02:08:10,669 --> 02:08:07,110 himself who was a youngster and when he 2703 02:08:14,270 --> 02:08:10,679 met himself he was introduced to his 2704 02:08:17,660 --> 02:08:14,280 younger self as his uncle right and and 2705 02:08:22,010 --> 02:08:17,670 so he stopped by just to let everybody 2706 02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:22,020 know what was going on and anybody could 2707 02:08:28,609 --> 02:08:25,920 ask questions and so he hung out for a 2708 02:08:32,120 --> 02:08:28,619 few months in 2000 and it was riveting 2709 02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:32,130 I'm Julia riveting and the crazy thing 2710 02:08:37,310 --> 02:08:34,530 is he said okay well you know what this 2711 02:08:38,990 --> 02:08:37,320 is like my last post I got to go I got 2712 02:08:43,540 --> 02:08:39,000 to go back to the future and you know 2713 02:08:46,970 --> 02:08:43,550 I'll see you guys later and then gone 2714 02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:46,980 never posted again he left us with these 2715 02:08:56,410 --> 02:08:52,400 photographs with these technical manuals 2716 02:08:59,260 --> 02:08:56,420 and and other things that were very 2717 02:09:03,130 --> 02:08:59,270 direct but we have those but he's gone 2718 02:09:05,050 --> 02:09:03,140 and he hasn't come back and and the 2719 02:09:08,410 --> 02:09:05,060 other the other crazy part about John 2720 02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:08,420 Peter is that if it was some elaborate 2721 02:09:13,390 --> 02:09:09,370 hoax 2722 02:09:16,120 --> 02:09:13,400 nobody's been busted it's one of the 2723 02:09:18,130 --> 02:09:16,130 most fascinating stories out there so 2724 02:09:20,460 --> 02:09:18,140 yeah there you go there's your homework 2725 02:09:26,200 --> 02:09:23,920 yeah I feel I feel bad for you because 2726 02:09:28,930 --> 02:09:26,210 the next couple of weeks you're going 2727 02:09:31,180 --> 02:09:28,940 down the John Titor rabbit hole well and 2728 02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:31,190 it looks to me like he's made some 2729 02:09:36,130 --> 02:09:34,610 predictions that were incorrect and you 2730 02:09:37,630 --> 02:09:36,140 know you could argue either way on that 2731 02:09:41,050 --> 02:09:37,640 you could argue well so that shows that 2732 02:09:42,790 --> 02:09:41,060 he's bogus or you could argue well that 2733 02:09:45,460 --> 02:09:42,800 shows that when you start to mess with 2734 02:09:47,140 --> 02:09:45,470 time it changes what happens right so 2735 02:09:51,010 --> 02:09:47,150 there's no way to really test it 2736 02:09:55,090 --> 02:09:51,020 so I guess my thought is you know he's 2737 02:09:57,220 --> 02:09:55,100 well he's either a person who wants a 2738 02:09:58,480 --> 02:09:57,230 lot of attention or he's delusional or 2739 02:09:59,920 --> 02:09:58,490 he's a person who's actually a time 2740 02:10:02,350 --> 02:09:59,930 traveler and so those are sort of the 2741 02:10:05,400 --> 02:10:02,360 three possibilities right well no you're 2742 02:10:10,540 --> 02:10:05,410 you're you're barely at the surface oh 2743 02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:10,550 you have no idea no idea see the thing 2744 02:10:20,980 --> 02:10:16,010 is about John Titor is the the stuff 2745 02:10:24,490 --> 02:10:20,990 that he discussed which was hardcore 2746 02:10:27,250 --> 02:10:24,500 physics quantum theory quantum mechanics 2747 02:10:29,530 --> 02:10:27,260 of course a gravity and time travel and 2748 02:10:31,960 --> 02:10:29,540 those complications and how they solved 2749 02:10:34,300 --> 02:10:31,970 it it's all there but then you get into 2750 02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:34,310 the computer aspects of it and the 2751 02:10:40,410 --> 02:10:36,890 knowledge of the computer world and 2752 02:10:43,180 --> 02:10:40,420 going back to this 1975 computers IBM 2753 02:10:46,510 --> 02:10:43,190 5100 there's that part of it then you 2754 02:10:49,540 --> 02:10:46,520 have the model making some how this time 2755 02:10:54,820 --> 02:10:49,550 machine the photographs are there that 2756 02:10:57,490 --> 02:10:54,830 was built and the the graphics the 2757 02:10:59,680 --> 02:10:57,500 design and all of that then you have the 2758 02:11:01,890 --> 02:10:59,690 design of the manuals and the technical 2759 02:11:04,360 --> 02:11:01,900 writing that is involved there and 2760 02:11:06,370 --> 02:11:04,370 everything else that comes into play it 2761 02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:06,380 wasn't just one person we're talking 2762 02:11:11,670 --> 02:11:09,170 about a team of people to get all of 2763 02:11:14,020 --> 02:11:11,680 this stuff done and the hoax pulled off 2764 02:11:17,230 --> 02:11:14,030 nobody's been busted nobody's come 2765 02:11:18,250 --> 02:11:17,240 forward where is the time machine let's 2766 02:11:21,700 --> 02:11:18,260 say it was a hoax 2767 02:11:23,860 --> 02:11:21,710 well somebody would have surfaced by now 2768 02:11:26,140 --> 02:11:23,870 going here's the time machine this is 2769 02:11:28,300 --> 02:11:26,150 how we did it we built it like this we 2770 02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:28,310 did the graphics here this is how we 2771 02:11:31,750 --> 02:11:30,050 took the photographs this is how we did 2772 02:11:33,490 --> 02:11:31,760 the laser stuff that we did this and 2773 02:11:35,650 --> 02:11:33,500 this is how we did the science is that 2774 02:11:37,300 --> 02:11:35,660 we did the physics of it but not 2775 02:11:43,120 --> 02:11:37,310 nobody's been caught 2776 02:11:48,820 --> 02:11:43,130 was a hoax it wouldn't have been one 2777 02:11:50,140 --> 02:11:48,830 person let's say it's real I mean I 2778 02:11:51,490 --> 02:11:50,150 don't know anything about this so I'm 2779 02:11:56,020 --> 02:11:51,500 just shooting from the hip but let's say 2780 02:11:58,720 --> 02:11:56,030 it's real we need to think about what 2781 02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:58,730 are the motivations about him revealing 2782 02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:01,280 his status because I'm sure if we get 2783 02:12:06,400 --> 02:12:02,810 time travel down for physical time 2784 02:12:08,740 --> 02:12:06,410 travel people will have traveled here 2785 02:12:11,500 --> 02:12:08,750 who haven't revealed their status so 2786 02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:11,510 what is it I feel like it's important 2787 02:12:17,170 --> 02:12:14,330 for us to understand if this is a real 2788 02:12:19,300 --> 02:12:17,180 time traveler right why this particular 2789 02:12:23,590 --> 02:12:19,310 time traveler needed to reveal his 2790 02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:23,600 status and what that tells us about what 2791 02:12:29,110 --> 02:12:25,760 was going on there is that like a trial 2792 02:12:32,650 --> 02:12:29,120 balloon totally totally and so one of 2793 02:12:35,740 --> 02:12:32,660 the and I suggest this to anybody when 2794 02:12:39,310 --> 02:12:35,750 they go in it's like John Titor 101 the 2795 02:12:43,930 --> 02:12:39,320 first thing that you have to do to take 2796 02:12:46,660 --> 02:12:43,940 it all in is look at his post so go back 2797 02:12:49,120 --> 02:12:46,670 to the original post hello it's me I'm 2798 02:12:50,500 --> 02:12:49,130 here I'm a time traveler ask me any 2799 02:12:52,570 --> 02:12:50,510 question you want you know go back to 2800 02:12:54,670 --> 02:12:52,580 that first post and go through all of 2801 02:12:57,400 --> 02:12:54,680 the threads and go through each one and 2802 02:13:00,790 --> 02:12:57,410 see how he interacted with everybody and 2803 02:13:04,940 --> 02:13:00,800 answered their questions he dealt with 2804 02:13:08,370 --> 02:13:04,950 paradoxes he dealt with a 2805 02:13:11,340 --> 02:13:08,380 not only the possibility of his 2806 02:13:13,350 --> 02:13:11,350 predictions being wrong or right but how 2807 02:13:15,750 --> 02:13:13,360 we dealt with it with alternative 2808 02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:15,760 timelines there's that part of it and 2809 02:13:23,730 --> 02:13:19,090 then the other thing that and all of 2810 02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:23,740 this is in his post when he the you know 2811 02:13:28,950 --> 02:13:26,370 he's got a time machine so if you go and 2812 02:13:31,080 --> 02:13:28,960 and he talked about physically what 2813 02:13:33,990 --> 02:13:31,090 happens you know when he time travels 2814 02:13:38,610 --> 02:13:34,000 all of the stuff that he dealt with with 2815 02:13:41,790 --> 02:13:38,620 with gravity and and the positioning and 2816 02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:41,800 how you ended up and terra firma and not 2817 02:13:45,300 --> 02:13:43,450 in the middle of the ocean or out in the 2818 02:13:49,530 --> 02:13:45,310 middle of space floating around right 2819 02:13:51,510 --> 02:13:49,540 because the earth is moving and so he 2820 02:13:54,900 --> 02:13:51,520 talked about that science of it in a way 2821 02:13:57,960 --> 02:13:54,910 that nobody had dealt with time machines 2822 02:14:01,620 --> 02:13:57,970 or time travel in the past and it was in 2823 02:14:04,520 --> 02:14:01,630 such a direct manner that it forced 2824 02:14:07,770 --> 02:14:04,530 everybody to step back and go well man 2825 02:14:09,870 --> 02:14:07,780 this has got to be real because it had 2826 02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:09,880 never been discussed before it's a very 2827 02:14:17,790 --> 02:14:14,290 interesting situation now again he's 2828 02:14:20,430 --> 02:14:17,800 never been busted right nobody has been 2829 02:14:23,160 --> 02:14:20,440 able to figure this out some think that 2830 02:14:25,770 --> 02:14:23,170 they have but it's it's none of it is 2831 02:14:29,460 --> 02:14:25,780 concrete it's very interesting it's it's 2832 02:14:32,270 --> 02:14:29,470 it's one of the crazy and for you not 2833 02:14:35,700 --> 02:14:32,280 knowing about John Titor which I find 2834 02:14:38,130 --> 02:14:35,710 really interesting is that you're gonna 2835 02:14:40,980 --> 02:14:38,140 go and and check this out and look into 2836 02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:40,990 it you're educated you're you're 2837 02:14:46,170 --> 02:14:43,450 professional and you're gonna come to 2838 02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:46,180 your own conclusions too so I can't wait 2839 02:14:51,030 --> 02:14:47,770 to talk to you in the future about John 2840 02:14:54,780 --> 02:14:51,040 Titor cool alright well so I will check 2841 02:14:58,320 --> 02:14:54,790 it out but I think that what's it's 2842 02:15:00,750 --> 02:14:58,330 intriguing to think about sort of the 2843 02:15:03,150 --> 02:15:00,760 motivations behind things and so one 2844 02:15:05,670 --> 02:15:03,160 could imagine if there's some kind of if 2845 02:15:08,010 --> 02:15:05,680 we figure out physical time travel that 2846 02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:08,020 includes sort of containing your 2847 02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:09,850 emotions your consciousness your 2848 02:15:15,270 --> 02:15:12,970 memories basically taking you physically 2849 02:15:18,170 --> 02:15:15,280 back in time that there will be people 2850 02:15:21,210 --> 02:15:18,180 who come back for 2851 02:15:24,270 --> 02:15:21,220 ego ik reasons and people who come back 2852 02:15:26,700 --> 02:15:24,280 for utilitarian reasons and people that 2853 02:15:29,130 --> 02:15:26,710 come back for sort of self transcendent 2854 02:15:30,360 --> 02:15:29,140 reasons and so all just like there's 2855 02:15:32,820 --> 02:15:30,370 people who do all sorts of different 2856 02:15:37,650 --> 02:15:32,830 things for different motivations now and 2857 02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:37,660 so I'm just curious about what are the 2858 02:15:43,740 --> 02:15:41,530 motivations to reveal your status as a 2859 02:15:45,720 --> 02:15:43,750 time traveler are you how is that an 2860 02:15:48,990 --> 02:15:45,730 egoic sort of I know more than you do 2861 02:15:49,890 --> 02:15:49,000 kind of thing or are there actual yeah I 2862 02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:49,900 think it's really important to think 2863 02:15:54,030 --> 02:15:52,330 about that well and it's a it you 2864 02:15:56,610 --> 02:15:54,040 brought this up at the beginning of the 2865 02:16:01,670 --> 02:15:56,620 show if you are a time traveler do you 2866 02:16:04,440 --> 02:16:01,680 want to reveal who you are look if you 2867 02:16:08,210 --> 02:16:04,450 being who you are today and you went 2868 02:16:11,610 --> 02:16:08,220 back to Jerusalem to the crucifixion 2869 02:16:14,370 --> 02:16:11,620 you're gonna stand out right and yeah 2870 02:16:17,820 --> 02:16:14,380 and that's it you've got to figure out a 2871 02:16:19,320 --> 02:16:17,830 way not to not to blend in with society 2872 02:16:21,210 --> 02:16:19,330 but not to be seen at all 2873 02:16:24,120 --> 02:16:21,220 whatsoever you don't want to blend in 2874 02:16:27,060 --> 02:16:24,130 you don't want to be seen at all right 2875 02:16:31,470 --> 02:16:27,070 that's it that you your life would end 2876 02:16:36,900 --> 02:16:31,480 at that point but the today there was a 2877 02:16:40,440 --> 02:16:36,910 couple of well I'll just get specific 2878 02:16:44,940 --> 02:16:40,450 the Rendlesham forest UFO incident that 2879 02:16:51,870 --> 02:16:44,950 happened in the early 80s 1980 that 2880 02:16:55,200 --> 02:16:51,880 incident was classified as a UFO landing 2881 02:16:56,430 --> 02:16:55,210 and the the government did there you 2882 02:16:58,291 --> 02:16:56,440 know the reports are there the 2883 02:17:00,210 --> 02:16:58,301 eyewitnesses are there we know when and 2884 02:17:04,440 --> 02:17:00,220 where it happened that's all documented 2885 02:17:06,090 --> 02:17:04,450 but Jim Penniston said that when he went 2886 02:17:09,270 --> 02:17:06,100 up and touched the craft that he got a 2887 02:17:13,710 --> 02:17:09,280 download and that information that hit 2888 02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:13,720 him was that they told him that they 2889 02:17:19,770 --> 02:17:16,810 weren't alien they weren't ETS but they 2890 02:17:21,960 --> 02:17:19,780 were us from the future did you know 2891 02:17:24,900 --> 02:17:21,970 that I talked with Jeff creep all who 2892 02:17:26,250 --> 02:17:24,910 are crippled Weibull who right yeah who 2893 02:17:27,720 --> 02:17:26,260 studies this stuff and I was at a 2894 02:17:29,940 --> 02:17:27,730 conference where he was and we were 2895 02:17:30,850 --> 02:17:29,950 talking about this and I said I was so 2896 02:17:33,010 --> 02:17:30,860 proud of myself 2897 02:17:34,600 --> 02:17:33,020 so I have this theory that you know ETS 2898 02:17:36,010 --> 02:17:34,610 are us from the future and he said he 2899 02:17:37,510 --> 02:17:36,020 looked at me and he said you know that's 2900 02:17:41,650 --> 02:17:37,520 the number one most mundane explanation 2901 02:17:43,510 --> 02:17:41,660 I hear yeah I was all excited about that 2902 02:17:45,010 --> 02:17:43,520 theory and he's like yeah a lot of 2903 02:17:47,050 --> 02:17:45,020 people think that that's pretty common 2904 02:17:48,820 --> 02:17:47,060 which is interesting that that's 2905 02:17:51,570 --> 02:17:48,830 occurring to a lot of people it doesn't 2906 02:17:54,610 --> 02:17:51,580 mean it's right it's just interesting 2907 02:17:55,810 --> 02:17:54,620 it's I think that is a totally 2908 02:17:59,560 --> 02:17:55,820 reasonable explanation of that 2909 02:18:02,950 --> 02:17:59,570 phenomenon well it resolves the the 2910 02:18:06,339 --> 02:18:02,960 distance and and time aspect of 2911 02:18:09,790 --> 02:18:06,349 traveling to or in between the stars 2912 02:18:12,550 --> 02:18:09,800 that it you know the the ETS that we see 2913 02:18:14,980 --> 02:18:12,560 today are us and they're from here so 2914 02:18:18,100 --> 02:18:14,990 that resolves these vast distances of 2915 02:18:22,120 --> 02:18:18,110 space right and and I can't I can 2916 02:18:26,500 --> 02:18:22,130 understand that I I really can but if if 2917 02:18:30,129 --> 02:18:26,510 we are like you in the Hot Tub Time 2918 02:18:32,379 --> 02:18:30,139 Machine they're up at noetic that's an 2919 02:18:35,050 --> 02:18:32,389 example of something that's happening 2920 02:18:36,730 --> 02:18:35,060 were quite possibly they weren't 2921 02:18:39,010 --> 02:18:36,740 traveling vast distances they were 2922 02:18:41,830 --> 02:18:39,020 actually here and they showed you at 2923 02:18:44,320 --> 02:18:41,840 that moment and it resolves all of these 2924 02:18:45,190 --> 02:18:44,330 complex questions well it sounded also 2925 02:18:47,680 --> 02:18:45,200 like they were listening to our 2926 02:18:48,730 --> 02:18:47,690 conversations like they were listening 2927 02:18:50,350 --> 02:18:48,740 to us talk about what would how would 2928 02:18:52,089 --> 02:18:50,360 you come back well probably isn't alien 2929 02:18:53,919 --> 02:18:52,099 well you know I feel like something's 2930 02:18:57,070 --> 02:18:53,929 gonna happen well boom so yeah it does 2931 02:18:59,760 --> 02:18:57,080 exactly it there's this awesome idea of 2932 02:19:01,990 --> 02:18:59,770 I was talking with folks today you know 2933 02:19:03,820 --> 02:19:02,000 mathematicians and physicists are some 2934 02:19:06,459 --> 02:19:03,830 of them are fond of creating other 2935 02:19:07,959 --> 02:19:06,469 dimensions or thinking about the 2936 02:19:09,250 --> 02:19:07,969 necessity of having other dimensions 2937 02:19:12,669 --> 02:19:09,260 beyond the three of space and one of 2938 02:19:14,620 --> 02:19:12,679 time and certainly you could also tell 2939 02:19:17,530 --> 02:19:14,630 the story and this might be an 2940 02:19:22,360 --> 02:19:17,540 equivalent story that that ETS are extra 2941 02:19:24,010 --> 02:19:22,370 dimensional beings and maybe that's the 2942 02:19:25,390 --> 02:19:24,020 same thing as saying it's us time 2943 02:19:27,459 --> 02:19:25,400 traveling from the future maybe we use 2944 02:19:28,990 --> 02:19:27,469 extra dimensions to do that so I I think 2945 02:19:31,780 --> 02:19:29,000 a lot of these concepts could come 2946 02:19:33,370 --> 02:19:31,790 together and become less complicated if 2947 02:19:34,959 --> 02:19:33,380 we could work it out a lot of this I 2948 02:19:36,280 --> 02:19:34,969 mean I just want to say this is all 2949 02:19:37,330 --> 02:19:36,290 really speculative that what we're 2950 02:19:39,310 --> 02:19:37,340 talking about but it's all really 2951 02:19:41,379 --> 02:19:39,320 intriguing and eventually at some point 2952 02:19:43,480 --> 02:19:41,389 we may be able to do empirical tests to 2953 02:19:44,200 --> 02:19:43,490 find out if this stuff is happening and 2954 02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:44,210 right now that's just 2955 02:19:49,000 --> 02:19:46,250 the case what and what about the big 2956 02:19:53,490 --> 02:19:49,010 questions and which is you know the 2957 02:19:57,910 --> 02:19:53,500 military aspect and the agency aspect 2958 02:20:00,670 --> 02:19:57,920 DARPA - as well in Sandia do you think 2959 02:20:03,430 --> 02:20:00,680 that the military and the Pentagon has 2960 02:20:06,820 --> 02:20:03,440 developed a method of time travel and 2961 02:20:10,530 --> 02:20:06,830 certainly Precog and premonition and 2962 02:20:13,719 --> 02:20:10,540 remote viewing comes into play - as well 2963 02:20:16,500 --> 02:20:13,729 yeah I mean sorry I want to unpack I 2964 02:20:19,660 --> 02:20:16,510 want to unpack your question because 2965 02:20:21,969 --> 02:20:19,670 sort of part of the question is what's 2966 02:20:24,310 --> 02:20:21,979 going on now in those agencies is a 2967 02:20:26,860 --> 02:20:24,320 compass it relates to Precog and 2968 02:20:30,190 --> 02:20:26,870 telepathy and using all sorts of ways to 2969 02:20:31,390 --> 02:20:30,200 gather information absolutely and then 2970 02:20:33,430 --> 02:20:31,400 the other sort of what what are the 2971 02:20:34,960 --> 02:20:33,440 motives the potential I mean I sort of 2972 02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:34,970 read that between the lines but I think 2973 02:20:41,230 --> 02:20:37,370 you're also asking that right sure yeah 2974 02:20:42,850 --> 02:20:41,240 so so in terms of what's happening now I 2975 02:20:44,500 --> 02:20:42,860 don't have any kind of top secret or 2976 02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:44,510 classified clearance so I have no idea 2977 02:20:51,310 --> 02:20:48,410 but I you don't have some friends in the 2978 02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:51,320 military who would not share anything 2979 02:20:56,020 --> 02:20:53,330 with me if something was going on but it 2980 02:20:57,550 --> 02:20:56,030 is fairly clear to me that there's a lot 2981 02:20:59,710 --> 02:20:57,560 of interest at different levels of the 2982 02:21:03,520 --> 02:20:59,720 military Dean Radin and I talk about 2983 02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:03,530 this a lot that we we get requests from 2984 02:21:09,370 --> 02:21:05,120 different levels of the military to talk 2985 02:21:10,690 --> 02:21:09,380 about various things and it's definitely 2986 02:21:13,690 --> 02:21:10,700 the case that there's interest it's also 2987 02:21:15,250 --> 02:21:13,700 probably the case if the military works 2988 02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:15,260 the way I think it does and if these 2989 02:21:18,820 --> 02:21:17,210 these organizations work the way I think 2990 02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:18,830 they do that there's multiple 2991 02:21:25,270 --> 02:21:21,050 redundancies of people looking into each 2992 02:21:28,240 --> 02:21:25,280 of these right now and and have been for 2993 02:21:30,100 --> 02:21:28,250 probably decades we do know that and of 2994 02:21:31,390 --> 02:21:30,110 course I'm confident most of your 2995 02:21:34,990 --> 02:21:31,400 listeners know about the Stargate 2996 02:21:39,969 --> 02:21:35,000 project sure girl flame etc right that 2997 02:21:42,340 --> 02:21:39,979 was going on in the 80s and 90s and but 2998 02:21:46,030 --> 02:21:42,350 there's no reason to believe that's not 2999 02:21:48,460 --> 02:21:46,040 been advanced no it would be insane 3000 02:21:50,260 --> 02:21:48,470 really to not to not advance that in a 3001 02:21:53,050 --> 02:21:50,270 way and keep keep looking at it but just 3002 02:21:54,969 --> 02:21:53,060 not as publicly so it seems to me that 3003 02:21:56,680 --> 02:21:54,979 makes a lot of sense it would be a sane 3004 02:21:58,059 --> 02:21:56,690 way to spend money it would be a not 3005 02:22:00,099 --> 02:21:58,069 very expensive way to send money 3006 02:22:02,439 --> 02:22:00,109 spend money to just continue researching 3007 02:22:06,659 --> 02:22:02,449 that and using and operationally as 3008 02:22:09,340 --> 02:22:06,669 appropriate and in terms of the future I 3009 02:22:13,800 --> 02:22:09,350 feel like when you combine artificial 3010 02:22:15,939 --> 02:22:13,810 intelligence with these skills 3011 02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:15,949 precognition telepathy 3012 02:22:22,689 --> 02:22:19,760 mind over matter that is that will be 3013 02:22:25,630 --> 02:22:22,699 the way of the future is collaborations 3014 02:22:27,729 --> 02:22:25,640 between these human skills of 3015 02:22:30,010 --> 02:22:27,739 consciousness and artificial 3016 02:22:32,199 --> 02:22:30,020 intelligence that can guide you know 3017 02:22:34,540 --> 02:22:32,209 where the where the information needs to 3018 02:22:36,010 --> 02:22:34,550 go and how it can be best used so I'm 3019 02:22:38,380 --> 02:22:36,020 talking right now in the best-case 3020 02:22:40,719 --> 02:22:38,390 scenario where all those organizations 3021 02:22:44,739 --> 02:22:40,729 are working towards the betterment of 3022 02:22:48,760 --> 02:22:44,749 humankind and helping the human race 3023 02:22:52,149 --> 02:22:48,770 it's not of course the case but it is 3024 02:22:53,559 --> 02:22:52,159 the way I like to think in terms of 3025 02:22:56,170 --> 02:22:53,569 thinking when I as a futurist I'd like 3026 02:22:57,489 --> 02:22:56,180 to think of the positive future so I 3027 02:23:00,460 --> 02:22:57,499 know that there are people in all of 3028 02:23:02,679 --> 02:23:00,470 those organizations and more who are are 3029 02:23:07,469 --> 02:23:02,689 really committed to creating a better 3030 02:23:12,519 --> 02:23:07,479 world and so that is that is a fact and 3031 02:23:15,909 --> 02:23:12,529 I think I heard you say that the 3032 02:23:18,609 --> 02:23:15,919 military has reached out to you and 3033 02:23:22,359 --> 02:23:18,619 noetic and asked questions did you say 3034 02:23:24,880 --> 02:23:22,369 that yeah yeah periodically different 3035 02:23:26,139 --> 02:23:24,890 different branches of the military so 3036 02:23:28,449 --> 02:23:26,149 for instance you know that there's the 3037 02:23:32,170 --> 02:23:28,459 Office of Naval Research which has this 3038 02:23:34,359 --> 02:23:32,180 intuition grants or fellowship program 3039 02:23:36,099 --> 02:23:34,369 out multi-million dollar deal where 3040 02:23:38,769 --> 02:23:36,109 they're trying to understand suchly 3041 02:23:41,979 --> 02:23:38,779 spidey sense they know that certain 3042 02:23:43,989 --> 02:23:41,989 people survive in the military because 3043 02:23:46,179 --> 02:23:43,999 of what they call spidey sense which is 3044 02:23:48,579 --> 02:23:46,189 a really really intuition and to try to 3045 02:23:51,010 --> 02:23:48,589 understand that so I've talked to 3046 02:23:53,739 --> 02:23:51,020 several people about that but you know 3047 02:23:55,389 --> 02:23:53,749 and certainly that happens a lot more to 3048 02:23:58,510 --> 02:23:55,399 Dean because he's more well-known in 3049 02:24:04,659 --> 02:23:58,520 sort of the general field of anomalous 3050 02:24:09,189 --> 02:24:04,669 cognition and anomalous events so we we 3051 02:24:10,899 --> 02:24:09,199 both of us you know we kind of assume 3052 02:24:11,860 --> 02:24:10,909 that the military should be interested 3053 02:24:13,660 --> 02:24:11,870 in this that they are 3054 02:24:17,980 --> 02:24:13,670 they have some programs that maybe 3055 02:24:20,020 --> 02:24:17,990 aren't public and sort of wonder if 3056 02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:20,030 they're not interested that would be 3057 02:24:24,310 --> 02:24:20,650 crazy 3058 02:24:25,801 --> 02:24:24,320 and we also know a lot of really good 3059 02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:25,811 people in the military who are 3060 02:24:33,310 --> 02:24:28,970 constantly asking questions and seem 3061 02:24:35,980 --> 02:24:33,320 like they are interested in or pursuing 3062 02:24:39,250 --> 02:24:35,990 this it seems like you're dancing just a 3063 02:24:41,591 --> 02:24:39,260 little bit right it seems like you're 3064 02:24:49,091 --> 02:24:41,601 dancing and and when you start to dance 3065 02:24:51,310 --> 02:24:49,101 that's where I go for it so let's they 3066 02:24:55,270 --> 02:24:51,320 have to be interested and you brought up 3067 02:24:58,210 --> 02:24:55,280 one point that is the obvious reasons 3068 02:25:02,230 --> 02:24:58,220 it's much cheaper you know you don't 3069 02:25:04,780 --> 02:25:02,240 have to invest in the hardware if you 3070 02:25:07,360 --> 02:25:04,790 have a human and their mind and that's 3071 02:25:09,730 --> 02:25:07,370 where the cost is you don't have to send 3072 02:25:11,801 --> 02:25:09,740 anybody overseas to look at a military 3073 02:25:14,710 --> 02:25:11,811 base if you can have somebody remote 3074 02:25:16,210 --> 02:25:14,720 view that has Precog abilities here that 3075 02:25:20,801 --> 02:25:16,220 can tell you what's going on you don't 3076 02:25:22,091 --> 02:25:20,811 have to send assets into danger to go 3077 02:25:23,860 --> 02:25:22,101 and look at this if you could do 3078 02:25:27,100 --> 02:25:23,870 everything right here or if you can 3079 02:25:29,350 --> 02:25:27,110 predict what is going to happen with 3080 02:25:33,790 --> 02:25:29,360 somebody's government or military and 3081 02:25:37,000 --> 02:25:33,800 you can do that here and not involve the 3082 02:25:39,160 --> 02:25:37,010 expense and and and and putting lives in 3083 02:25:40,810 --> 02:25:39,170 danger well right I mean it's like the 3084 02:25:43,420 --> 02:25:40,820 obvious thing to the extent that it 3085 02:25:46,180 --> 02:25:43,430 works sure it's really useful but the 3086 02:25:48,630 --> 02:25:46,190 thing is what you know it's it's kind of 3087 02:25:51,130 --> 02:25:48,640 not that cut-and-dried it's more like 3088 02:25:53,051 --> 02:25:51,140 it's more like developing another source 3089 02:25:54,910 --> 02:25:53,061 of information it's like we can launch a 3090 02:25:56,350 --> 02:25:54,920 satellite and get some information but 3091 02:25:57,761 --> 02:25:56,360 then we have human intelligence we get 3092 02:25:59,200 --> 02:25:57,771 more information well then we can also 3093 02:26:00,580 --> 02:25:59,210 use precognition then we get more 3094 02:26:01,930 --> 02:26:00,590 information but you don't want to just 3095 02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:01,940 go on precognition because it's too 3096 02:26:08,980 --> 02:26:05,930 fuzzy but they are they you are 3097 02:26:11,410 --> 02:26:08,990 confirming with us that they do have 3098 02:26:13,900 --> 02:26:11,420 programs in place that are dealing with 3099 02:26:16,870 --> 02:26:13,910 premonition precognition telekinesis and 3100 02:26:19,301 --> 02:26:16,880 remote viewing no no no I'm not gonna go 3101 02:26:21,341 --> 02:26:19,311 that far I am confirming that it makes 3102 02:26:24,490 --> 02:26:21,351 total sense and I have deep suspicions 3103 02:26:33,050 --> 02:26:31,760 well played now okay we are in danger of 3104 02:26:35,450 --> 02:26:33,060 running out of time 3105 02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:35,460 can I can I keep you for another 10 3106 02:26:43,850 --> 02:26:40,800 minutes because I want to talk about the 3107 02:26:45,950 --> 02:26:43,860 Mandela effect and and we didn't get a 3108 02:26:48,350 --> 02:26:45,960 chance to get into it so let's set up 3109 02:26:51,710 --> 02:26:48,360 the Mandela effect and then when we come 3110 02:26:57,770 --> 02:26:51,720 back we'll get further into it but the 3111 02:27:00,260 --> 02:26:57,780 Mandela effect is either millions and 3112 02:27:01,580 --> 02:27:00,270 millions of people are schizophrenic and 3113 02:27:05,450 --> 02:27:01,590 they have lost their minds 3114 02:27:08,690 --> 02:27:05,460 or there is something going on here and 3115 02:27:11,090 --> 02:27:08,700 we are recognizing it what do you think 3116 02:27:14,810 --> 02:27:11,100 is happening with the Mandela effect oh 3117 02:27:16,880 --> 02:27:14,820 I think that is precognition so for 3118 02:27:20,600 --> 02:27:16,890 instance there's the 50 okay so the 51 3119 02:27:23,900 --> 02:27:20,610 to 52 states thing right so I've had 3120 02:27:25,460 --> 02:27:23,910 that all my life right and I think it's 3121 02:27:26,870 --> 02:27:25,470 because in the future we I mean I've 3122 02:27:28,910 --> 02:27:26,880 always thought since I was a kid 3123 02:27:33,710 --> 02:27:28,920 what there's only 50 states no there's 3124 02:27:37,010 --> 02:27:33,720 52 and I still make that mistake and I 3125 02:27:38,570 --> 02:27:37,020 found out that it was common and so 3126 02:27:39,530 --> 02:27:38,580 that's that's an example of the Mandela 3127 02:27:41,300 --> 02:27:39,540 effect it's one of the most basic 3128 02:27:42,740 --> 02:27:41,310 examples and I think that's because in 3129 02:27:44,390 --> 02:27:42,750 the future there are so I think it's 3130 02:27:46,580 --> 02:27:44,400 just standard information that we're 3131 02:27:49,390 --> 02:27:46,590 getting for most of the history of the 3132 02:27:53,210 --> 02:27:49,400 United States there are 52 states 3133 02:27:56,630 --> 02:27:53,220 okay so let's take a break right here 3134 02:27:59,060 --> 02:27:56,640 now that's Mandela into the future and I 3135 02:28:01,730 --> 02:27:59,070 get that and so that's Precog and it's 3136 02:28:05,030 --> 02:28:01,740 confusing us today and it and it is 3137 02:28:06,770 --> 02:28:05,040 confusing you I get that and when we 3138 02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:06,780 come back we'll talk about the Mandela 3139 02:28:12,200 --> 02:28:09,930 effect with the past and well I don't 3140 02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:12,210 know I'll be honest with you Julia I 3141 02:28:18,110 --> 02:28:16,170 don't know if it's and we'll discuss all 3142 02:28:20,030 --> 02:28:18,120 of this I don't know if it's time 3143 02:28:23,510 --> 02:28:20,040 travelers coming back and that have 3144 02:28:26,600 --> 02:28:23,520 altered the past and abate mistakes or 3145 02:28:30,100 --> 02:28:26,610 if it is the blending of maybe two 3146 02:28:32,420 --> 02:28:30,110 alternative worlds and we're getting 3147 02:28:33,380 --> 02:28:32,430 overspray if you will but we'll discuss 3148 02:28:34,729 --> 02:28:33,390 all of that 3149 02:28:37,610 --> 02:28:34,739 this is fade to black I'm your 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Julia 3151 02:28:42,180 --> 02:28:38,699 Moss bridge 3152 02:28:59,550 --> 02:28:56,389 [Music] 3153 02:29:00,210 --> 02:28:59,560 and you are listening to my boy Jimmy 3154 02:29:08,790 --> 02:29:00,220 Church 3155 02:29:10,690 --> 02:29:08,800 opinion reading a book will not make you 3156 02:29:16,690 --> 02:29:10,700 smarter 3157 02:29:22,820 --> 02:29:20,929 hurricanes earthquakes wildfires this 3158 02:29:25,310 --> 02:29:22,830 year we've experienced more than our 3159 02:29:27,590 --> 02:29:25,320 fair share this is Jimmy Church a fade 3160 02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:27,600 to black and last month I decided to 3161 02:29:32,030 --> 02:29:29,610 make sure my family does not have to 3162 02:29:35,210 --> 02:29:32,040 worry about food should we get caught in 3163 02:29:37,639 --> 02:29:35,220 a real emergency situation introducing 3164 02:29:39,410 --> 02:29:37,649 Humana a healthy storable product that 3165 02:29:41,360 --> 02:29:39,420 tastes so good that you'll want to eat 3166 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02:33:06,490 --> 02:33:17,861 [Music] 3236 02:33:21,251 --> 02:33:19,841 welcome back fade to black doing a 3237 02:33:23,621 --> 02:33:21,261 little overtime with our guest tonight 3238 02:33:26,161 --> 02:33:23,631 dr. Julia Moss bridge we're talking 3239 02:33:28,631 --> 02:33:26,171 about her book the premonition code 3240 02:33:31,541 --> 02:33:28,641 there it is right there the links to it 3241 02:33:34,421 --> 02:33:31,551 or over at Jimmy Church radio.com this 3242 02:33:37,261 --> 02:33:34,431 great book by the way and now I want to 3243 02:33:40,361 --> 02:33:37,271 jump into the manda Mandela effect and 3244 02:33:45,401 --> 02:33:40,371 Julie I'll tell you we did so many shows 3245 02:33:47,621 --> 02:33:45,411 on this over the last year or so and I 3246 02:33:50,821 --> 02:33:47,631 am thoroughly convinced something is 3247 02:33:53,561 --> 02:33:50,831 going on because of my own personal 3248 02:33:56,470 --> 02:33:53,571 experiences that I can't explain 3249 02:33:58,600 --> 02:33:56,480 with myself when we talk about the past 3250 02:34:00,430 --> 02:33:58,610 of my memories and I know that I partied 3251 02:34:03,911 --> 02:34:00,440 a lot and I've done some things in my 3252 02:34:07,180 --> 02:34:03,921 life that I'm not that proud of but I've 3253 02:34:11,890 --> 02:34:07,190 had very very clear distinct memories on 3254 02:34:13,421 --> 02:34:11,900 things that turn out that they weren't 3255 02:34:17,411 --> 02:34:13,431 the way that I remember them and they're 3256 02:34:21,731 --> 02:34:17,421 very significant and I could almost quiz 3257 02:34:23,381 --> 02:34:21,741 you right now on the Mandela fact and 3258 02:34:26,501 --> 02:34:23,391 I'm not even so sure that you'll pass 3259 02:34:32,711 --> 02:34:26,511 the quiz sure you there yeah I want to 3260 02:34:39,341 --> 02:34:32,721 do it well okay the monopoly man does he 3261 02:34:40,811 --> 02:34:39,351 have a monocle or not yeah yes or not he 3262 02:34:45,731 --> 02:34:40,821 does no he doesn't 3263 02:34:48,911 --> 02:34:45,741 okay yeah now the song we are the 3264 02:34:51,371 --> 02:34:48,921 champions by Queen you know the song 3265 02:34:55,151 --> 02:34:51,381 you've son it's your entire life yeah 3266 02:34:58,651 --> 02:34:55,161 right and and em during the song and at 3267 02:35:03,371 --> 02:34:58,661 the end where we are the champions 3268 02:35:06,041 --> 02:35:03,381 what's the next line my friend and we'll 3269 02:35:16,091 --> 02:35:06,051 keep on fighting til the end there is 3270 02:35:21,701 --> 02:35:16,101 none no I just reminded you of that 3271 02:35:25,211 --> 02:35:21,711 you've okay the stuff with the past so 3272 02:35:27,731 --> 02:35:25,221 the stuff with the right okay okay it's 3273 02:35:32,390 --> 02:35:27,741 right so how is this not just crappy 3274 02:35:37,970 --> 02:35:32,400 memory exactly exactly 3275 02:35:40,980 --> 02:35:37,980 it doesn't it doesn't but you know your 3276 02:35:43,801 --> 02:35:40,990 your memory your response was instant 3277 02:35:47,720 --> 02:35:43,811 you know like with the monocle I mean he 3278 02:35:51,060 --> 02:35:47,730 never had a monocle but for some reason 3279 02:35:53,341 --> 02:35:51,070 to me that's more like an archetype like 3280 02:35:56,190 --> 02:35:53,351 you're blurring an archetype sure like 3281 02:35:57,841 --> 02:35:56,200 like the monocle the rich guy with the 3282 02:35:59,700 --> 02:35:57,851 monocle with the hat always goes with 3283 02:36:01,230 --> 02:35:59,710 the monocle in my mind so I'm gonna have 3284 02:36:02,490 --> 02:36:01,240 a misremembered now I understand there's 3285 02:36:03,720 --> 02:36:02,500 this other explanation which is an 3286 02:36:06,091 --> 02:36:03,730 alternative reality or some kind of 3287 02:36:08,120 --> 02:36:06,101 reality shift it's very difficult to 3288 02:36:11,220 --> 02:36:08,130 prove but the most simple explanation is 3289 02:36:12,570 --> 02:36:11,230 crappy memory that weaves in cultural 3290 02:36:15,511 --> 02:36:12,580 and frankly that's the best explanation 3291 02:36:17,190 --> 02:36:15,521 for the 52 States to write although 3292 02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:17,200 still of course because I have my bias 3293 02:36:23,820 --> 02:36:19,290 towards precondition I think it's that I 3294 02:36:28,200 --> 02:36:23,830 feel like I feel like what's exciting is 3295 02:36:30,060 --> 02:36:28,210 to understand what's really going on but 3296 02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:30,070 we don't know what's really going on so 3297 02:36:35,131 --> 02:36:32,730 we have all these different explanations 3298 02:36:37,190 --> 02:36:35,141 Sex in the City 3299 02:36:45,570 --> 02:36:37,200 how many times did you watch that show 3300 02:36:46,440 --> 02:36:45,580 zero zero yeah what's it called City 3301 02:36:49,921 --> 02:36:46,450 nope 3302 02:36:56,180 --> 02:36:49,931 and there's another example and it's see 3303 02:37:03,030 --> 02:37:01,080 see all I'm saying is when you start to 3304 02:37:06,780 --> 02:37:03,040 look at all of these examples we're 3305 02:37:11,040 --> 02:37:06,790 talking about it's so everybody's memory 3306 02:37:13,921 --> 02:37:11,050 is just wrong right that's it's it's 3307 02:37:19,440 --> 02:37:13,931 it's something that I I look at this 3308 02:37:24,211 --> 02:37:19,450 when we look at such cultural iconic 3309 02:37:26,011 --> 02:37:24,221 moments you know like Darth Vader you 3310 02:37:26,671 --> 02:37:26,021 know everybody knows he says Luke I'm 3311 02:37:28,711 --> 02:37:26,681 your father 3312 02:37:29,850 --> 02:37:28,721 right and the in the famous scene Luke 3313 02:37:34,501 --> 02:37:29,860 I'm your father 3314 02:37:38,610 --> 02:37:34,511 right and we all know that and and the 3315 02:37:41,940 --> 02:37:38,620 toys that were made with with but it was 3316 02:37:43,880 --> 02:37:41,950 never said it's not in the movie you 3317 02:37:46,250 --> 02:37:43,890 know and I it's 3318 02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:46,260 it's it's it's it's me wait wait wait 3319 02:37:56,570 --> 02:37:48,000 wait what was that because something 3320 02:37:58,030 --> 02:37:56,580 like that was he says no I am your 3321 02:38:02,679 --> 02:37:58,040 father 3322 02:38:12,860 --> 02:38:10,070 yeah and and so and you know we can go 3323 02:38:15,740 --> 02:38:12,870 back and and if you look at things like 3324 02:38:19,070 --> 02:38:15,750 Forrest Gump you know and he's you know 3325 02:38:22,340 --> 02:38:19,080 the he was always you know what was the 3326 02:38:25,939 --> 02:38:22,350 line that he says life is like a box of 3327 02:38:30,139 --> 02:38:25,949 chocolates right right well he never 3328 02:38:32,479 --> 02:38:30,149 said that and we go back and go wait a 3329 02:38:34,939 --> 02:38:32,489 minute he said life is like a box of 3330 02:38:37,849 --> 02:38:34,949 chocolates and we all know that scene 3331 02:38:41,179 --> 02:38:37,859 and that's not what he said and now we 3332 02:38:45,519 --> 02:38:41,189 go back and you look at the the the clip 3333 02:38:48,710 --> 02:38:45,529 of the movie and he says now life was 3334 02:38:52,070 --> 02:38:48,720 like a box of chocolates and that 3335 02:38:54,710 --> 02:38:52,080 doesn't even compute with us second wait 3336 02:38:58,189 --> 02:38:54,720 right minute that's it right so just 3337 02:38:59,840 --> 02:38:58,199 sorry to be boring here but I always 3338 02:39:01,189 --> 02:38:59,850 flip back and forth between boring and 3339 02:39:02,510 --> 02:39:01,199 interesting what I'm trying to 3340 02:39:04,099 --> 02:39:02,520 understand something from multiple 3341 02:39:07,429 --> 02:39:04,109 directions so here's the boring part of 3342 02:39:10,610 --> 02:39:07,439 me it says look that's because there's a 3343 02:39:12,080 --> 02:39:10,620 human life was like a box box of 3344 02:39:13,610 --> 02:39:12,090 chocolates was in the context of what 3345 02:39:15,439 --> 02:39:13,620 his mother said to him my mother always 3346 02:39:18,260 --> 02:39:15,449 said life was like a box of chocolates 3347 02:39:20,540 --> 02:39:18,270 well but we're extracting that and we're 3348 02:39:22,490 --> 02:39:20,550 all of our brains work similarly so we 3349 02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:22,500 decide well what's really the lesson 3350 02:39:27,679 --> 02:39:24,810 life is like a box of chocolates in 3351 02:39:29,599 --> 02:39:27,689 other words the part of it could be just 3352 02:39:31,610 --> 02:39:29,609 that the human brains generally works 3353 02:39:34,490 --> 02:39:31,620 similarly and so we make similar 3354 02:39:35,599 --> 02:39:34,500 mistakes we're given the same data so 3355 02:39:39,349 --> 02:39:35,609 I'm just saying that's the boring 3356 02:39:41,240 --> 02:39:39,359 explanation which is still kind of cool 3357 02:39:43,639 --> 02:39:41,250 that we're making similar mistakes using 3358 02:39:45,710 --> 02:39:43,649 the same data and it's worth considering 3359 02:39:47,809 --> 02:39:45,720 that explanation I don't I don't I don't 3360 02:39:49,550 --> 02:39:47,819 think that because an explanation is 3361 02:39:51,019 --> 02:39:49,560 kind of cooler and more fun this 3362 02:39:53,149 --> 02:39:51,029 alternative realities one is clearly 3363 02:39:55,700 --> 02:39:53,159 cooler and more fun that is necessarily 3364 02:39:57,420 --> 02:39:55,710 correct you know right right well okay 3365 02:40:02,849 --> 02:39:57,430 I'll give you another 3366 02:40:07,050 --> 02:40:02,859 example and it's not the point is a very 3367 02:40:10,050 --> 02:40:07,060 simple one now what you are saying there 3368 02:40:12,360 --> 02:40:10,060 if we take that at face value we go okay 3369 02:40:14,910 --> 02:40:12,370 we all were all screwed up we all think 3370 02:40:17,820 --> 02:40:14,920 the same messed up way and we all figure 3371 02:40:20,790 --> 02:40:17,830 it out on our own okay and then what 3372 02:40:26,670 --> 02:40:20,800 about the Silence of the Lambs 3373 02:40:30,090 --> 02:40:26,680 and Jodie Foster walks up to a Hannibal 3374 02:40:31,740 --> 02:40:30,100 Lecter and looks in and everybody knows 3375 02:40:35,729 --> 02:40:31,750 exactly what he says right there he says 3376 02:40:38,639 --> 02:40:35,739 hello Clarice right that's one of the 3377 02:40:43,439 --> 02:40:38,649 most quoted lines in movie history and 3378 02:40:47,300 --> 02:40:43,449 it was never said it was never it wasn't 3379 02:40:54,660 --> 02:40:47,310 even close he said good morning 3380 02:40:56,880 --> 02:40:54,670 now that what your your methodology to 3381 02:41:03,630 --> 02:40:56,890 figuring this out right there is thrown 3382 02:41:07,340 --> 02:41:03,640 out the window well I mean so the 3383 02:41:09,719 --> 02:41:07,350 problem is we don't understand how I 3384 02:41:11,670 --> 02:41:09,729 mean I don't know I don't that movie was 3385 02:41:13,920 --> 02:41:11,680 hard for me to take and I'd have no 3386 02:41:17,400 --> 02:41:13,930 memories from it except that I had to 3387 02:41:26,219 --> 02:41:17,410 turn it off but when you've seen Snow 3388 02:41:29,460 --> 02:41:26,229 White sure okay well you know an evil 3389 02:41:34,650 --> 02:41:29,470 stepmother right goes up and says says 3390 02:41:38,040 --> 02:41:34,660 what in the mirror that's right 3391 02:41:39,809 --> 02:41:38,050 it was never said well come on something 3392 02:41:42,240 --> 02:41:39,819 like that was said so what is it that 3393 02:41:45,679 --> 02:41:42,250 was that I see but that's that's exactly 3394 02:41:49,790 --> 02:41:45,689 the point you know what she says is 3395 02:41:54,750 --> 02:41:49,800 magic mirror on the wall 3396 02:41:58,080 --> 02:41:54,760 but-but-but all I'm saying is something 3397 02:42:01,530 --> 02:41:58,090 is changing all of I could go on and on 3398 02:42:03,240 --> 02:42:01,540 and on and on right so one explanation 3399 02:42:05,160 --> 02:42:03,250 is that something is changing all their 3400 02:42:07,170 --> 02:42:05,170 memories and maybe it's timing like I 3401 02:42:08,490 --> 02:42:07,180 get the argument now it's kind of like 3402 02:42:10,380 --> 02:42:08,500 maybe there's time travel and these 3403 02:42:10,950 --> 02:42:10,390 small things have shifted and we who 3404 02:42:13,260 --> 02:42:10,960 have 3405 02:42:14,820 --> 02:42:13,270 this other reality are sort of stuck in 3406 02:42:16,469 --> 02:42:14,830 this different time stream so I get that 3407 02:42:20,400 --> 02:42:16,479 that's kind of the argument that's a 3408 02:42:21,900 --> 02:42:20,410 cool argument I don't know kinds of 3409 02:42:25,260 --> 02:42:21,910 explanations to me 3410 02:42:28,110 --> 02:42:25,270 yeah I'm not okay my favorite peanut 3411 02:42:30,390 --> 02:42:28,120 butter growing up was jiffy 3412 02:42:33,660 --> 02:42:30,400 that's what I preferred and I prefer 3413 02:42:36,060 --> 02:42:33,670 jiffy extra creamy that was my thing and 3414 02:42:38,730 --> 02:42:36,070 and I ate it all the time did you ever 3415 02:42:40,140 --> 02:42:38,740 have jiffy peanut butter no my mother 3416 02:42:43,410 --> 02:42:40,150 wouldn't buy it and was called Jeff I 3417 02:42:49,210 --> 02:42:47,800 you think so are you sure Jeff I think 3418 02:42:51,609 --> 02:42:49,220 it was called Jeff yeah my mother 3419 02:42:54,280 --> 02:42:51,619 wouldn't buy by it and so I was just 3420 02:42:57,219 --> 02:42:54,290 like I was jealous of the kids who got 3421 02:42:59,710 --> 02:42:57,229 to eat Jeff right alright I see it's 3422 02:43:01,780 --> 02:42:59,720 possible right so I'm trying to so I 3423 02:43:05,139 --> 02:43:01,790 think you're saying which is correct by 3424 02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:05,149 the way see you don't know no see and 3425 02:43:12,120 --> 02:43:08,960 again it just messes it just messes with 3426 02:43:16,240 --> 02:43:12,130 me and when we look at things like 3427 02:43:18,040 --> 02:43:16,250 interview with a vampire which you know 3428 02:43:20,679 --> 02:43:18,050 I read the book and saw the movie and 3429 02:43:23,139 --> 02:43:20,689 was a big fan of Anne Rice and when I 3430 02:43:28,870 --> 02:43:23,149 find out that you know it was an 3431 02:43:31,689 --> 02:43:28,880 interview with with it was an interview 3432 02:43:35,200 --> 02:43:31,699 with a vampire it's interview with the 3433 02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:35,210 vampire I had to go back and and get the 3434 02:43:42,250 --> 02:43:37,850 book and look because there was just no 3435 02:43:47,830 --> 02:43:42,260 way that that could be so III don't 3436 02:43:50,260 --> 02:43:47,840 understand and when we look at as a 3437 02:43:55,300 --> 02:43:50,270 whole I could I could refer to Twitter 3438 02:44:00,370 --> 02:43:55,310 right now and I am sure that everybody 3439 02:44:03,880 --> 02:44:00,380 is is giving their examples like oh one 3440 02:44:07,359 --> 02:44:03,890 of the the ones that stumped me was what 3441 02:44:09,010 --> 02:44:07,369 year was the Challenger disaster do you 3442 02:44:11,800 --> 02:44:09,020 remember where you were for the 3443 02:44:14,139 --> 02:44:11,810 Challenger disaster that was fourth 3444 02:44:17,859 --> 02:44:14,149 grade looking at it yeah so what year 3445 02:44:25,620 --> 02:44:17,869 was the 4th grade for you so it was ten 3446 02:44:37,689 --> 02:44:31,000 1985 what that's right what year was it 3447 02:44:41,710 --> 02:44:37,699 for you for me it was I I thought it was 3448 02:44:43,330 --> 02:44:41,720 1984 1985 I would have been in high 3449 02:44:46,030 --> 02:44:43,340 school but I was sitting in my middle 3450 02:44:48,969 --> 02:44:46,040 school like either fourth or fifth grade 3451 02:44:52,420 --> 02:44:48,979 classroom mm-hmm exactly 3452 02:44:55,411 --> 02:44:52,430 and when when I was hit with that I know 3453 02:44:58,501 --> 02:44:55,421 exactly where I was that morning 3454 02:45:01,230 --> 02:44:58,511 because III know I know I wanted to 3455 02:45:04,411 --> 02:45:01,240 discuss you in a second for me I had 3456 02:45:06,571 --> 02:45:04,421 driven my lead singer to work because he 3457 02:45:07,801 --> 02:45:06,581 didn't have a car and he only lived with 3458 02:45:10,111 --> 02:45:07,811 me for three months 3459 02:45:12,690 --> 02:45:10,121 and I came home after driving him to 3460 02:45:17,190 --> 02:45:12,700 work and I turned on the TV and I 3461 02:45:20,371 --> 02:45:17,200 watched it and to have it turn out to be 3462 02:45:28,531 --> 02:45:20,381 a whole lot for a second let's just go 3463 02:45:30,600 --> 02:45:28,541 to challenger I just looked it up 20 3464 02:45:35,551 --> 02:45:30,610 January 20th 1986 3465 02:45:38,701 --> 02:45:35,561 yeah 1986 I thought it was 1985 now and 3466 02:45:41,371 --> 02:45:38,711 and I had my reasons for 1985 because I 3467 02:45:44,041 --> 02:45:41,381 know where I was and as it turns out it 3468 02:45:47,881 --> 02:45:44,051 happened a year later than my memory 3469 02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:47,891 you're saying 1979 and you specifically 3470 02:45:52,020 --> 02:45:49,690 remember it in the fourth grade I 3471 02:45:53,190 --> 02:45:52,030 remember being in that teacher's 3472 02:45:55,711 --> 02:45:53,200 classroom I mean I 3473 02:45:57,331 --> 02:45:55,721 okay even if I miss remembered by four 3474 02:45:58,741 --> 02:45:57,341 years and I was in eighth grade I was 3475 02:45:59,581 --> 02:45:58,751 not in high school that's a completely 3476 02:46:02,551 --> 02:45:59,591 different school 3477 02:46:05,161 --> 02:46:02,561 I mean 1986 is the year before I 3478 02:46:06,871 --> 02:46:05,171 graduated high school so and you 3479 02:46:09,930 --> 02:46:06,881 remember seeing this in the fourth grade 3480 02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:09,940 and as a very specific class but let's 3481 02:46:13,171 --> 02:46:11,530 assume my memory is wrong and it's 8th 3482 02:46:15,690 --> 02:46:13,181 grade because that was the same school 3483 02:46:18,720 --> 02:46:15,700 but still that's I mean that school room 3484 02:46:20,281 --> 02:46:18,730 is it's a completely different school my 3485 02:46:25,020 --> 02:46:20,291 high school it's just not the same 3486 02:46:29,640 --> 02:46:25,030 building I'm just I know I can't explain 3487 02:46:32,551 --> 02:46:29,650 it what range of times do other people I 3488 02:46:36,690 --> 02:46:32,561 had yeah exactly I've had people tell me 3489 02:46:41,131 --> 02:46:36,700 it was you know it's like picky year you 3490 02:46:43,020 --> 02:46:41,141 know and I had I had a caller call in 3491 02:46:47,131 --> 02:46:43,030 Julia check this out I had a call or 3492 02:46:50,551 --> 02:46:47,141 call in and say that they specifically 3493 02:46:53,850 --> 02:46:50,561 remember being in science class watching 3494 02:46:57,180 --> 02:46:53,860 the shuttle launch you know in in 3495 02:47:01,711 --> 02:46:57,190 seventh grade in what you know is like 3496 02:47:04,321 --> 02:47:01,721 pick a year right 1982 1983 and and you 3497 02:47:06,331 --> 02:47:04,331 know it was only at that and they know 3498 02:47:07,870 --> 02:47:06,341 exactly where they were at that moment 3499 02:47:10,059 --> 02:47:07,880 just like I do 3500 02:47:12,580 --> 02:47:10,069 and it has nothing to do with you know 3501 02:47:14,920 --> 02:47:12,590 January of 1986 because that puts them 3502 02:47:17,710 --> 02:47:14,930 in another school in another state in 3503 02:47:20,380 --> 02:47:17,720 another city and that would be 3504 02:47:22,809 --> 02:47:20,390 impossible you know and for you to go 3505 02:47:28,840 --> 02:47:22,819 directly at 1979 3506 02:47:34,800 --> 02:47:28,850 you said fourth grade 1979 yeah so when 3507 02:47:38,500 --> 02:47:34,810 I tell you it was 1986 seven years later 3508 02:47:42,010 --> 02:47:38,510 what does I mean I can't explain this I 3509 02:47:43,570 --> 02:47:42,020 I just can't you know and we can go with 3510 02:47:47,080 --> 02:47:43,580 faulty memory or trying to figure stuff 3511 02:47:49,210 --> 02:47:47,090 out but for you you know you know you're 3512 02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:49,220 a professional educator this is what you 3513 02:47:52,840 --> 02:47:51,770 do you've gone through you have PhD in 3514 02:48:00,399 --> 02:47:52,850 your name 3515 02:48:02,200 --> 02:48:00,409 resolve this in your own mind well I 3516 02:48:05,800 --> 02:48:02,210 mean I've only had a few seconds to 3517 02:48:07,300 --> 02:48:05,810 resolve it because I've okay because I 3518 02:48:10,809 --> 02:48:07,310 hadn't heard about this Challenger thing 3519 02:48:13,090 --> 02:48:10,819 and I had always had I've always thought 3520 02:48:14,859 --> 02:48:13,100 about the Madonna thing as potential 3521 02:48:20,729 --> 02:48:14,869 precognition and potential faulty memory 3522 02:48:27,519 --> 02:48:20,739 that's consistent across people so so 3523 02:48:28,990 --> 02:48:27,529 I'm working on resolving it and yeah so 3524 02:48:30,280 --> 02:48:29,000 it brings up this experience so here's 3525 02:48:32,139 --> 02:48:30,290 what they experienced that it brings up 3526 02:48:33,670 --> 02:48:32,149 and that were just just so you know like 3527 02:48:35,349 --> 02:48:33,680 all this stuff we're talking about is so 3528 02:48:37,540 --> 02:48:35,359 speculative from the point of view of 3529 02:48:39,609 --> 02:48:37,550 science and yet of course very 3530 02:48:42,070 --> 02:48:39,619 interesting so I just wanted to bring 3531 02:48:46,439 --> 02:48:42,080 that up again but I had this experience 3532 02:48:50,620 --> 02:48:46,449 with my husband about five years ago 3533 02:48:52,420 --> 02:48:50,630 when he was he had a very bad disease 3534 02:48:56,349 --> 02:48:52,430 and was basically on the road to dying 3535 02:48:58,389 --> 02:48:56,359 and whatever you know everyone just knew 3536 02:49:03,849 --> 02:48:58,399 he was gonna die and he was in the 3537 02:49:05,410 --> 02:49:03,859 hospital and he did in fact pass out and 3538 02:49:07,689 --> 02:49:05,420 then he was on the road to death and 3539 02:49:10,809 --> 02:49:07,699 then he was on the lung transplant list 3540 02:49:11,979 --> 02:49:10,819 and there were suddenly I went to sleep 3541 02:49:14,170 --> 02:49:11,989 and I woke up and there was a nurse 3542 02:49:16,389 --> 02:49:14,180 telling me there were lungs for him and 3543 02:49:17,979 --> 02:49:16,399 then after the surgery he survived and 3544 02:49:21,610 --> 02:49:17,989 it's more than five years later and he's 3545 02:49:23,920 --> 02:49:21,620 doing great and he and I 3546 02:49:27,341 --> 02:49:23,930 talk about something that we can't prove 3547 02:49:30,460 --> 02:49:27,351 but that we absolutely both felt which 3548 02:49:32,620 --> 02:49:30,470 was that there was something happened 3549 02:49:34,990 --> 02:49:32,630 like we both sort of described it as 3550 02:49:38,051 --> 02:49:35,000 like tectonic plates shifting in time or 3551 02:49:40,210 --> 02:49:38,061 something where in fact there was a path 3552 02:49:41,460 --> 02:49:40,220 in which he did die but we're not on 3553 02:49:44,500 --> 02:49:41,470 that path 3554 02:49:46,240 --> 02:49:44,510 something was shifted and we and we're 3555 02:49:48,520 --> 02:49:46,250 on this other path and that's really how 3556 02:49:50,230 --> 02:49:48,530 it felt and I've had very difficult 3557 02:49:51,820 --> 02:49:50,240 events happen in my life and that 3558 02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:51,830 haven't felt like this but this felt 3559 02:49:56,530 --> 02:49:54,800 like that and we don't know how to sort 3560 02:49:59,170 --> 02:49:56,540 of talk about it or think about it so 3561 02:50:00,730 --> 02:49:59,180 that the Challenger thing now that 3562 02:50:03,720 --> 02:50:00,740 you've brought this to my attention in 3563 02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:03,730 my own experience which is so clear 3564 02:50:11,140 --> 02:50:07,010 reminded me of that some kind of 3565 02:50:13,690 --> 02:50:11,150 temporal tectonic plates shifting and 3566 02:50:17,980 --> 02:50:13,700 it's a different timeline being 3567 02:50:20,640 --> 02:50:17,990 developed for people and just maybe it's 3568 02:50:26,500 --> 02:50:20,650 the case that our timelines don't match 3569 02:50:31,480 --> 02:50:26,510 yeah it could it be and this is and I'm 3570 02:50:35,170 --> 02:50:31,490 okay with this could it be that this the 3571 02:50:38,770 --> 02:50:35,180 contact with a parallel version of our 3572 02:50:41,230 --> 02:50:38,780 world just got a little bit too close 3573 02:50:44,801 --> 02:50:41,240 you know and at these very specific 3574 02:50:47,051 --> 02:50:44,811 events something blended across that's 3575 02:50:49,210 --> 02:50:47,061 all and for each of us we're 3576 02:50:52,900 --> 02:50:49,220 experiencing it just a little bit 3577 02:50:56,200 --> 02:50:52,910 different and in your situation the 3578 02:51:00,790 --> 02:50:56,210 Challenger accident did happen for you 3579 02:51:02,710 --> 02:51:00,800 in 1979 because then it you know it just 3580 02:51:04,720 --> 02:51:02,720 blended across and that's it and it just 3581 02:51:07,810 --> 02:51:04,730 happened then and that's your experience 3582 02:51:12,940 --> 02:51:07,820 and that's how you remember it you know 3583 02:51:15,310 --> 02:51:12,950 so and I'm okay with that but it it it I 3584 02:51:19,210 --> 02:51:15,320 would rather have that be the case than 3585 02:51:22,600 --> 02:51:19,220 everybody be crazy that's the part that 3586 02:51:24,761 --> 02:51:22,610 that I don't want to have you know that 3587 02:51:27,730 --> 02:51:24,771 we're all remembering things wrong well 3588 02:51:29,650 --> 02:51:27,740 then then we have to sit here and 3589 02:51:32,591 --> 02:51:29,660 question everything about our past or 3590 02:51:34,180 --> 02:51:32,601 fondest memories and these things I mean 3591 02:51:35,591 --> 02:51:34,190 we definitely don't have perfect memory 3592 02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:35,601 we definitely need to question 3593 02:51:39,341 --> 02:51:37,610 and not assume that all of our memories 3594 02:51:43,600 --> 02:51:39,351 are correct definitely definitely 3595 02:51:46,270 --> 02:51:43,610 definitely but when you have a important 3596 02:51:47,440 --> 02:51:46,280 event like that you know these kind of 3597 02:51:49,060 --> 02:51:47,450 important bets you remember where you 3598 02:51:52,480 --> 02:51:49,070 were I remember one where I was when 3599 02:51:56,680 --> 02:51:52,490 Reagan was shot these kind of in world 3600 02:52:01,810 --> 02:51:56,690 events you you remember what you see 3601 02:52:03,551 --> 02:52:01,820 what what year was he shot you remember 3602 02:52:04,961 --> 02:52:03,561 where you know was all my friends so I 3603 02:52:07,421 --> 02:52:04,971 don't remember the year I remember I was 3604 02:52:12,671 --> 02:52:07,431 at my friend Jane's house and I used to 3605 02:52:15,011 --> 02:52:12,681 play with Jane in let's see I must have 3606 02:52:17,020 --> 02:52:15,021 it must have been don't Google it don't 3607 02:52:18,850 --> 02:52:17,030 I'm not I'm just sitting here trying to 3608 02:52:19,900 --> 02:52:18,860 remember I would play with her and how 3609 02:52:27,310 --> 02:52:19,910 old was I 3610 02:52:30,461 --> 02:52:27,320 god I think it was like 1980 well I know 3611 02:52:33,131 --> 02:52:30,471 where I was I was in Fort Lauderdale my 3612 02:52:39,660 --> 02:52:33,141 senior year I was down there for spring 3613 02:52:45,131 --> 02:52:39,670 break and so that would have been a 3614 02:52:48,131 --> 02:52:45,141 Febuary March February March 1981 okay 3615 02:52:51,730 --> 02:52:48,141 so when was the shot was let's actually 3616 02:52:54,520 --> 02:52:51,740 look it up now Reagan March 30 is the 3617 02:52:57,961 --> 02:52:54,530 1981 nice yeah okay so I believe you 3618 02:53:00,100 --> 02:52:57,971 because my year was a question mark okay 3619 02:53:00,640 --> 02:53:00,110 that doesn't seem to be different I mean 3620 02:53:03,791 --> 02:53:00,650 I don't know 3621 02:53:05,320 --> 02:53:03,801 so these the idea see this whole this 3622 02:53:08,410 --> 02:53:05,330 brings us back to this whole thing which 3623 02:53:10,870 --> 02:53:08,420 is that the construct of time the idea 3624 02:53:13,530 --> 02:53:10,880 that just because we tend to sort of 3625 02:53:17,830 --> 02:53:13,540 agree that today is you know Wednesday 3626 02:53:19,120 --> 02:53:17,840 in the Western Hemisphere still doesn't 3627 02:53:21,070 --> 02:53:19,130 necessarily mean that everyone's having 3628 02:53:24,580 --> 02:53:21,080 the same timeline or sharing the same 3629 02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:24,590 timeline so this is interesting that I 3630 02:53:28,211 --> 02:53:26,000 never thought of the Mandela effect as 3631 02:53:30,011 --> 02:53:28,221 sort of a general demonstration of that 3632 02:53:32,921 --> 02:53:30,021 people might not share the same time 3633 02:53:35,020 --> 02:53:32,931 deadlines but that's cool yeah and okay 3634 02:53:38,970 --> 02:53:35,030 I'll throw one more out at you we've got 3635 02:53:41,110 --> 02:53:38,980 a one minute left the JFK assassination 3636 02:53:44,140 --> 02:53:41,120 don't look it up don't look at any 3637 02:53:45,551 --> 02:53:44,150 pictures don't do anything okay okay we 3638 02:53:48,830 --> 02:53:45,561 all know it was a black convertible 3639 02:53:50,929 --> 02:53:48,840 Lincoln Continental right okay 3640 02:53:53,690 --> 02:53:50,939 don't know that because I I don't have a 3641 02:53:56,179 --> 02:53:53,700 sense of that okay well okay how many 3642 02:54:01,969 --> 02:53:56,189 people were in the car when he was shot 3643 02:54:04,010 --> 02:54:01,979 I thought three okay I'm cool with that 3644 02:54:09,500 --> 02:54:04,020 I don't know what the answer is to you 3645 02:54:12,050 --> 02:54:09,510 six really exactly now when a caller 3646 02:54:17,690 --> 02:54:12,060 caller called in one night and hit me 3647 02:54:19,880 --> 02:54:17,700 with that and I know I said four uh-huh 3648 02:54:21,230 --> 02:54:19,890 I'm one with four two in the front seat 3649 02:54:23,679 --> 02:54:21,240 two in the back seat of course Jackie 3650 02:54:29,719 --> 02:54:23,689 and and and JFK were in the back seat 3651 02:54:31,670 --> 02:54:29,729 six it was six he had two Secret Service 3652 02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:31,680 guys in the front yet John Collin 3653 02:54:38,000 --> 02:54:35,130 Connolly and his wife in the two middle 3654 02:54:42,560 --> 02:54:38,010 seats which I don't remember and JFK and 3655 02:54:45,590 --> 02:54:42,570 and Jackie O in the back oh I see that 3656 02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:45,600 that okay right that you can I'm just 3657 02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:47,760 thinking like a cognitive neuroscientist 3658 02:54:51,110 --> 02:54:49,050 that you can explain on it's very 3659 02:54:52,940 --> 02:54:51,120 unusual to have a convertible car that 3660 02:54:55,310 --> 02:54:52,950 has three rows of seats so you kind of 3661 02:54:57,590 --> 02:54:55,320 edit out the middle row you do except 3662 02:54:59,870 --> 02:54:57,600 for I've watched that Zapruder film like 3663 02:55:02,599 --> 02:54:59,880 everybody else eight bazillion and 3664 02:55:04,219 --> 02:55:02,609 fifty-two times all right and you go 3665 02:55:05,810 --> 02:55:04,229 back and now that you know that it's six 3666 02:55:08,450 --> 02:55:05,820 and you go back and you watch the zipper 3667 02:55:12,920 --> 02:55:08,460 there six it's ah you know it's just 3668 02:55:15,440 --> 02:55:12,930 obvious but I when I was asked this 3669 02:55:17,090 --> 02:55:15,450 question live on the air hi immediately 3670 02:55:18,800 --> 02:55:17,100 one four and I named the four that were 3671 02:55:22,400 --> 02:55:18,810 in the car and I just could not believe 3672 02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:22,410 it when I went back and watched and then 3673 02:55:26,090 --> 02:55:24,570 I went and there's a couple of mistakes 3674 02:55:27,050 --> 02:55:26,100 that have happened I've only got one 3675 02:55:29,719 --> 02:55:27,060 minute left 3676 02:55:32,690 --> 02:55:29,729 Julia but I wouldn't looked at the life 3677 02:55:35,480 --> 02:55:32,700 article of the assassination and they 3678 02:55:38,360 --> 02:55:35,490 show his car and it's a four-seater it's 3679 02:55:40,760 --> 02:55:38,370 a four-seater of lincoln and it's not 3680 02:55:42,349 --> 02:55:40,770 six and it's just like well you know I 3681 02:55:43,820 --> 02:55:42,359 don't know I don't know I don't know 3682 02:55:47,660 --> 02:55:43,830 that's right that's weird 3683 02:55:51,080 --> 02:55:47,670 yeah yeah I know I know I know I know I 3684 02:55:54,200 --> 02:55:51,090 know okay all right let's do this first 3685 02:55:55,219 --> 02:55:54,210 off thank you so much and we've got Dean 3686 02:55:58,849 --> 02:55:55,229 on the show tomorrow night 3687 02:56:01,820 --> 02:55:58,859 I cannot wait yeah he is 3688 02:56:04,099 --> 02:56:01,830 I have not interviewed him and I've 3689 02:56:06,260 --> 02:56:04,109 wanted to do this for so many years but 3690 02:56:08,660 --> 02:56:06,270 tomorrow night team Raiden is here the 3691 02:56:11,150 --> 02:56:08,670 book is the premonition code I know I've 3692 02:56:14,240 --> 02:56:11,160 got links up for it over to me church 3693 02:56:16,580 --> 02:56:14,250 radio calm but your website which is 3694 02:56:19,550 --> 02:56:16,590 maas bridge institute calm and of course 3695 02:56:21,560 --> 02:56:19,560 the premonition koat.com and everybody 3696 02:56:23,830 --> 02:56:21,570 can get the books and and read reviews 3697 02:56:26,330 --> 02:56:23,840 and do everything right there right 3698 02:56:28,250 --> 02:56:26,340 absolutely and you can practice and you 3699 02:56:30,050 --> 02:56:28,260 could be tested and you can be in the 3700 02:56:32,840 --> 02:56:30,060 precognition Hall of Fame if you like 3701 02:56:35,090 --> 02:56:32,850 you know Jimmy I just want to say I love 3702 02:56:37,280 --> 02:56:35,100 it when I get to be involved in the 3703 02:56:39,080 --> 02:56:37,290 conversation that makes me think and in 3704 02:56:40,639 --> 02:56:39,090 which I learned something this makes me 3705 02:56:43,010 --> 02:56:40,649 really happy so thanks a lot you made my 3706 02:56:45,080 --> 02:56:43,020 day what that's what I do I do the same 3707 02:56:46,790 --> 02:56:45,090 thing I just want to learn something I 3708 02:56:49,250 --> 02:56:46,800 want to come away from the show and if 3709 02:56:51,500 --> 02:56:49,260 you and I do that think about it the 3710 02:56:54,469 --> 02:56:51,510 audience did it right along with us and 3711 02:56:55,610 --> 02:56:54,479 that is the gift of doing these kinds of 3712 02:56:59,120 --> 02:56:55,620 shows and having this kind of 3713 02:57:01,099 --> 02:56:59,130 conversation thank you so much thank you 3714 02:57:02,929 --> 02:57:01,109 and I'll talk to you soon and I can't 3715 02:57:06,889 --> 02:57:02,939 wait now when we count next time you're 3716 02:57:10,550 --> 02:57:06,899 on the show we will be doing John Titor 3717 02:57:13,160 --> 02:57:10,560 101 I'll talk to you so much 3718 02:57:14,840 --> 02:57:13,170 and I'll see you soon and tomorrow night 3719 02:57:17,810 --> 02:57:14,850 Dean Radin is here thank you so much 3720 02:57:20,150 --> 02:57:17,820 Julia take care have a great night she's 3721 02:57:23,179 --> 02:57:20,160 up there right now at the Institute of 3722 02:57:25,130 --> 02:57:23,189 noetic sciences and it was so cool to 3723 02:57:27,080 --> 02:57:25,140 hear of the cleaning crew in the 3724 02:57:29,560 --> 02:57:27,090 background but that's where she is 3725 02:57:32,030 --> 02:57:29,570 right now doing the show live and 3726 02:57:33,860 --> 02:57:32,040 tomorrow night now again I want to 3727 02:57:36,770 --> 02:57:33,870 remind everybody the Premonition code 3728 02:57:38,870 --> 02:57:36,780 you can go and get it at Amazon the 3729 02:57:41,960 --> 02:57:38,880 links are up at Jimmy Church radio calm 3730 02:57:44,090 --> 02:57:41,970 but her websites are Maas bridge 3731 02:57:47,420 --> 02:57:44,100 Institute calm over at Jimmy Church 3732 02:57:49,460 --> 02:57:47,430 radio and the premonition code dot-com 3733 02:57:52,490 --> 02:57:49,470 the book I've read it from cover to 3734 02:57:53,599 --> 02:57:52,500 cover it is absolutely fantastic and a 3735 02:57:56,719 --> 02:57:53,609 real page-turner 3736 02:57:58,190 --> 02:57:56,729 and now a couple of things really quick 3737 02:58:00,450 --> 02:57:58,200 I've got to get out of here tomorrow 3738 02:58:03,420 --> 02:58:00,460 night Dean Radin is going to be here 3739 02:58:06,360 --> 02:58:03,430 want to remind everybody I know Thursday 3740 02:58:08,219 --> 02:58:06,370 night is open lines here at fade to 3741 02:58:10,590 --> 02:58:08,229 black we're not going to be doing that 3742 02:58:12,600 --> 02:58:10,600 tomorrow night Dean Radin is going to be 3743 02:58:16,020 --> 02:58:12,610 here and now we're going to be 3744 02:58:17,670 --> 02:58:16,030 discussing not only magic but we're 3745 02:58:19,650 --> 02:58:17,680 gonna be talking about what goes on at 3746 02:58:21,719 --> 02:58:19,660 the quantum level too as well 3747 02:58:24,000 --> 02:58:21,729 he's been doing this research and been 3748 02:58:26,820 --> 02:58:24,010 bringing the science forward with all of 3749 02:58:28,830 --> 02:58:26,830 this when it comes to telekinesis and 3750 02:58:31,140 --> 02:58:28,840 the power of the mind and magic and what 3751 02:58:33,660 --> 02:58:31,150 is really going on and the realities of 3752 02:58:36,000 --> 02:58:33,670 that it's been doing it for years nobody 3753 02:58:37,980 --> 02:58:36,010 better than Dean Radin when we're 3754 02:58:40,020 --> 02:58:37,990 talking about these subjects so with 3755 02:58:42,060 --> 02:58:40,030 that I'm gonna get out of here I want 3756 02:58:45,030 --> 02:58:42,070 everybody to have just a great fantastic 3757 02:58:46,200 --> 02:58:45,040 night enjoy yourselves and I'll see you 3758 02:58:48,750 --> 02:58:46,210 right here tomorrow night 3759 02:58:50,340 --> 02:58:48,760 I'm fade to black betablox executive 3760 02:58:52,590 --> 02:58:50,350 producers ritika Murray on shows 3761 02:58:55,380 --> 02:58:52,600 produced by Hilton Jay Paul Renee Dennis 3762 02:58:58,830 --> 02:58:55,390 and Bob announcers our Steve harder Jean 3763 02:59:01,860 --> 02:58:58,840 Vito 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